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bad news is BKK crack down, good new is i know you and your work from this situation, kinda love your blog! :D
31/05/2010 @ 20:32
Comment from: Kirk
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I am grateful that your love for this country still hasn't changed. Your works to promote Thailand are important and I hope you will continue to enjoy doing that. In all cases, ordinary Thai people are the true victims of these past conflicts. It was the same ordinary people that mourned for the deads and went out to help cleaned up the city after the burning streets were safe enough to be walked on. For now, tourisms in Thailand are the survival of the fittest. I hope foreigners still choose to come to Thailand for vacationing despite the bad images and publicity the country had endure.

Thank you,
Kirk
31/05/2010 @ 22:56
I was dissapointed as well when red shirts burned down the city hall in Udon. I noticed that there were road blocks, army and police somewhere near the city hall a day before when I was riding motorcycle to the mall. Thing seems to be normal and didn't know that they were actually planning to burn buildings.
31/05/2010 @ 23:17
Comment from: JohnnyW
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I too felt sad when I saw the destruction in Bangkok on that last day of the red shirt protests. I have been a Bangkok resident for a long time and it really made me see the people of Thailand in a different light. The images on TV were disturbing. Where has my old Thailand gone? Although the red shirt rally is over, I doubt we have seen the last of them. There is still inequality and double standards in the country. I fear that the next time they come out the violence will start sooner than before with higher consequences.
01/06/2010 @ 09:46
Comment from: Paul
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Is it safe for foreigner to drive around in Central Thailand(not Bangkok) for a family vacation now?
01/06/2010 @ 12:08
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
At this moment in time, there is no suggestion that there is any danger at all for foreign tourists in Thailand. Foreigners have never been targeted. Many people are under the impression that things are back to normal here in Thailand as there hasn't been any incidents for a while. I am doing a lot of day-trips myself and have never given safety a second thought.
01/06/2010 @ 19:53
Comment from: Will & Watsana
We are really sad too, me and my Thai-wife. We just came back from Thailand, visiting family. My wife had just her best friend from Isaan on the telephone.
Seems those poor people who came back from their "protest" marathon in Bangkok are still upset, so they started burning down her home she just builded for her family, and many others... only because they didn't join the protest !!! This is NOT protest but real TERRORISM !!! So not only in BKK these red terrorists are acting !! Like many people, we were not pro any coulor in this conflict, but this closes the door. Bring to justice those red leaders, UDD, PT and their terrorists and hang'em HIGH !
02/06/2010 @ 01:18
Comment from: William W. Email
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How utterly sad. To see a proud people manipulated by a billionair meglamaniact.
There were no Red shirts prior to Thaksin being
ousted after robbing the country blind. Now he
sits and waits for the death of the most wondrous King the world has seen in modern times. The government has been too gracious
about moveing vigorously against his BUYING of
the Thai people. Farmers protested because they were being paid 2000bt daily for their participation. This fact seems to be
missing in all the world wide media. For twenty years I have enjoyed Thailand, over two months on each visit.
The Red Shirts dishonor the Kingdom.
How very sad.
02/06/2010 @ 02:40
There is absolutely no danger in the south of Thailand, at least around Surat Thani. All of the craziness seems to have been limited to the north while down here it's business as usual. Hopefully any tourists will be able to come down here while things settle down around the capital and the country as a whole can get back to normal.
02/06/2010 @ 08:08
Comment from: Andrew Penney Email
I am reading this story through tears because I am a Singapore who loves Thailand deeply, and this is so sad.

I got slammed and flamed elsewhere on this blog for being critical of the Red Shirts. But for me, they represent an ugly side of Thailand which hates Cambodians, hates Indians and other blackies, hates Rohingyas from Myanmar, hates Southern Thai Muslims, hates Singaporeans, and will take money from anybody.

And for some reason they feel entitled to keep throwing their toys out of their pram until some father figure like the King tells them to stop. The country is politically immature, and I don't give a %^&* if anybody feels offended by this.

I wasn't in Thailand during the Yellow Shirt protests, but is it possible that none of the leaders of THAT movement are in prison because they didn't resort to throwing grenades and firing assault rifles at soldiers and policemen?

My heart goes out to all the humble "aunties" and "uncles" who have lost their jobs as cleaners, food court workers, and security guards because Red Shirts burned down their place of work. If the hi-so Thais can't buy their Versace or Prada because their favourite shopping centre burned down, that's tough sh*t for them; I really don't care. But it is an injustice against the humble folk whose livelihood depended on these businesses which were burned down.

My feelings about the Red Shirts are strong, but who cares, I am only a foreigner. I feel deeply sad because I know enough about human nature to know that an inferiority complex is rarely fixed by burning down symbols of what you don't like. No amount of destruction can erase a "chip on the shoulder" and make you happy. As Buddhists, Thais should know that.

Sorry to express my feelings so bluntly, but I feel bitter every time some clever farang writes about "democratic aspirations" of the Red Shirts. What a crock of manure. The Red Shirt movement is racist, self-serving, shameless, and violent. It represents the worst sides of the "me first" or "what's in it for me?" aspect of Thai society.

We saw that kind of thinking when Thaksin tried to brush off the Tak Bai massacre; it is the reason why NOBODY dares to talk about Hok Tulaa today, they are too ashamed. When Thaksin sold an important national asset to Singapore, Thais used their energy to blame and hate Singapore, instead of asking themselves difficult questions about how their own PM could have pulled off something so shameless at the country's expense, for his own benefit.

Andrew
02/06/2010 @ 11:24
Comment from: DG
@Andrew Penney - I remember TV pictures of yellow shirt guards beating up people. Also footage of yellow shirts firing on taxi drivers. In my book, the taking of the international airports and the storming of the air control tower is more a terrorist act than the take-over of a shopping district. But, none of the yellow shirt leaders are in prison. One of their supporters is actually the foreign minister who thought that the airport takeover was fun.
02/06/2010 @ 12:03
Comment from: Andrew Penney
Thanks DG.

Were the Yellow Shirts shooting at the taxi drivers with assault rifles or lobbing grenades at them? How many buildings did the Yellow Shirts burn down?

As mindful human beings, we don't have to surrender to "two wrongs make a right". Thai society is now traumatized by the actions of people on BOTH sides who had to learn this lesson, the hard way.

And as mindful human beings, we also have the right and duty to draw the line according to our own moral compass. Don't like the fact that your neighbour's car is bigger than yours? Maybe you imagine that he thinks he is better than you? Okay, burn down his house, and every other house in the neighbourhood (including your own), so that everybody is equally miserable. But if you do that, don't shame yourself for claiming to do that in the name of "democracy".

The root of the crisis, IMHO, is not "the Establishment", but a broader problem, namely, the "what's in it for me?" attitude which permeates all layers of Thai society.

Take care --

Andrew
02/06/2010 @ 16:10
Comment from: Lloyd
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Good balanced article.

What needs to be pointed out to people arriving on holiday is that in many provinces there are check points throught the country manned by "heavily" armed Army and Police personel. Although they are basically "harmless" it is not a sight many people will see as being "normal" in a tranquil holiday destination.

@Andrew Penney - "My feelings about the Red Shirts are strong, but who cares, I am only a foreigner. I feel deeply sad because I know enough about human nature to know that an inferiority complex is rarely fixed by burning down symbols of what you don't like. No amount of destruction can erase a "chip on the shoulder" and make you happy. As Buddhists, Thais should know that.".

A highly hypocritical comment which shows a complete lack of knowledge about Thai culture and the scale of difference between the rural poor and the "average" Bangkokonian. Thailands wealth was built on the backs of the rural workers and farmers. Very little of the wealth created has found its way back from the Governments pockets to the provinces that supply the goods and cheap labour.

02/06/2010 @ 17:17
Comment from: Andrew Penney
Lloyd, what is it about Thai people that sets them apart from the rest of humanity?

You don't have to agree with me. My main point is -- still -- that an inferiority complex is rarely fixed by burning down symbols of what you don't like. No amount of destruction can erase a "chip on the shoulder" and make you happy.

Are you arguing with that?

What is hypocritical, is people who weren't even born in SE Asia assuming that anybody who is not FOR the Red Shirts is somehow supporting the Yellow Shirts and the "hi-so"s. I am not. The problems I perceive behind the near civil war have to do with the Thai "what's in it for me, then?" mentality. On both sides.

AP

02/06/2010 @ 19:48
Comment from: Lloyd
@Andrew - You obvously do not understand much about different cultures so there is not point in explaining. I never said Thailand was any different from the rest of humanity, but like all of humanity Thailand has a culture unique to itself, something you obviously do not comprehend.

Take a look at Singapore for example, a city of diversity and multiculturism where at first glance everything seems in harmony. Spend some time there and you see the truth behind the beauty where pretty much everything is "hidden" behind veils of secrecy all so that people can keep "face", but thats "their" culture. Rampant racsim, violence and repression of low paid foreign workers, unemployment on a scale higher than nearly all other ASEAN nations where even taxi drivers need a university degree and worst of all the people are quite happy to let it go on so the rest of the world sees Singapore as the "Tiger of Asia". Laughable to the "rest of humanity" but hey thats Singapores culture so if it works for them, so be it!
03/06/2010 @ 15:23
Comment from: Andrew Penney
Singaporean repression of low paid foreign workers... how do you categorize what happened in Tak Bai, or maybe during "hok tulaa"? Pushing Rohyingyas out to sea to die, after beating them?

At least our Singaporean navy escorts Indonesian illegal immigrants all the way back to Indonesia, and gives them water, medical treatment, and feeds them.

Do you think that our naval officers enjoy fishing dead bodies out of the Straits of Malacca? Shame on you. I am sorry that you hate Singapore so much. When you point a finger at somebody, at least three fingers point back at yourself.

Lloyd, I don't know what country you are from, but what has YOUR country done for Thailand?

AP
03/06/2010 @ 20:27
Comment from: P. G.
Who's right? red shirt,yellow shirt? violence, non-violence? Where is the truth? As a westerner, although I praise the ideal of upholding the right for democracy all I see is the sins of democracy...a right to do what you want, a right to possess all that you see, whether you earned it or not. What we loved about Thailand was that the only right that truly existed really was the right to save face, for you, for me. We don't fear the violence but the erosion of values.
Is it safe...it hasn't been safe for a while now since some Thais determined they wanted to be all that they could be, no matter what. Is that wrong? I don't know but I grieve what has been lost.
04/06/2010 @ 09:58
Comment from: johnny blue
We as westerners must remember that there are aspects of Thai culture that we have no way to understand...so to judge and offer criticism is not fair. Naturally violence is never a solution....let us hope the Thai people see this as well.
04/06/2010 @ 11:11
Comment from: Siam Square · http://www.novotelbkk.com/
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Love the post. It was sad that Siam Square, the heart of Bangkok was a mess during the hard time. But there is always hope for a better future. I still always love this city.
22/06/2010 @ 12:27
Comment from: John
How naive to think that Thai people are any different to other races. The Thais generally do not like foreigners, hence they rip them off on prices, in taxis etc etc. The term 'farang' is rude and insulting. Great writing and superb photos (did you take them all?) but you do seem a little naive for someone who's been there for so long.
26/06/2010 @ 14:27

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