Thailand: Greatest Urban Myths (Part 1)
By Stephen Cleary
Friday 5th February, 2010 | 993 words | Category: General | 26 feedbacks »

Even for those who have never stepped a foot in the Land of Noodle Soup & Nose Jobs, chances are they’ve heard some classic Thailand myth worthy of an editorial column in the most sensational European tabloid. So worthy actually, that some of these urban legends have surfaced in such papers. But if you don’t read one in The Sun (UK), you’ll soon find a couple in some redundant second-hand guidebook, on trashy Internet forums, blogs written by 16 year-old school kids or daft videos on YouTube. However, the place best of all for enjoying Thailand legends are in the company of some know-it-all-farang at an expat pub or a hippy hangout who has consumed just that one too many Singha Beer. Yes, told by one those experts who after staying in Thailand for an incredible 6 months, believes he deserves an honorary doctorate in everything Thai.
1. Go to Prison for Stepping on a Twenty Baht Note
This certainly has to go down as one the longest-standing, most circulated and absurdist urban myth east of Europe. And what is peculiar is that when it is told or written is always a twenty baht note, as if you couldn’t find a pic of the King on any other banknote. The fact of the matter is the lese-majeste law in Thailand states that the act committed has to be done with ‘malicious intent’ ie… you would have to stamp on it and shout insanities before someone would pay any attention and call in the Boys in Brown. It does not refer to any foreigner fresh off the plane who on dropping a bank note, quickly steps on it before it flies off in the breeze.
2. You Can Hire a Professional Gunman for the Likes of 5,000 Baht
What a load of nonsense! One of those totally daft rumours told by expat wanna-be gangster farangs while sat on a barstool. And like ’20 baht note’ ‘5,000’ is the commonest fee you hear and read crop up. The only ‘gunman’ you are gonna find at a stupid price like that is some drug-crazed motorbike-taxi driver or any other complete low-life amateur whose only previous experience of shooting a gun was of a water type during the Songkran Festival. Then, ‘get what you pay for’, as soon as he gets caught by the cops, he confesses immediately to having been hired by you. According to Thai language sources which include plenty of interviews with former convicted professional gunmen, the real cost goes from 200,000 to 10,000,000 baht depending of course on the potential victim, ie… from your average conservationist to a wealthy and powerful politician. That price includes: the agent fee, an accomplice, investigation into routines/itineraries, total confidentiality if all goes wrong and a few months for the gunman and accomplice to stay in the jungles of Thailand or Cambodia etc… until the case dies down.
3. Thai Women Have to ‘Sell Their Body’ to Escape Poverty
Over my dead body. Any lady-of--the-night desperate to earn money can get a job in a factory and work her bum off for 6 days a week, 9 hours a day. With paid overtime at an average factory in the Central Region an employee, with no education at all, can rake in around 10,000 month. Many such damsels instead prefer to make a much easier living in the hope that they’ll go on to meet some rich sugar-daddy, regardless to whether they are married or not, who is going to transfer a big wad of money into their bank account every month. As for that sob-story of “I need money send home to take care family” academic Thai language studies have already proven that ladies-of-the-night save and send less money back home than other migrant workers of proper professions.
4. Civil Servants like Police, Soldiers & Teachers Get Really Low Salaries
Working permanently for the state is a dream job for many Thais. Salaries are low but only at the bottom of the ladder. Work as a civil servant for ten, twenty, thirty years and your salary will be very respectable by Thai standards. On top of that you can get interest-free loans, a nice pension, free accommodation, best social healthcare, retire at 55 and get plenty of other benefits. Salaries for civil servants have rocketed over the past decade or so. 10-15 years back the basic salary for a school director was around 30,000 baht, it is now in the region of 55,000. You’re average civil servant in her fifties rakes in about 30,000 a month. For a policeman with the rank of Sargaent-Major with 10 years experience, with a little danger money payment he will pull in around 20,000 plus – compared to 10-15 years ago, no more than 10 grand – same applies to soldiers. None of these salaries include possible ‘commission’ money. Compared to the West, such salaries are pittance, but for here in Thailand they are very decent indeed.
5. Getting Caught with Some Ganja is a Very Serious Crime
Getting caught smoking a reefer is about as equivalent to getting caught stealing a packet of crisps from a mini-mart. And I’m not joking! Being caught however with a kilo of it stuffed inside your rucksack at Suvarnphumi Airport is another matter of course. This myth has got around the backpacker scene so much that once a backpacker gets arrested on an island with a big Bob Marley on him, he falls into the hands of corrupt cops who wanna sucker as much money as possible out of him ‘in lieu of not serving the next few years banged up’. And such cops are renowned for their lying negotiation jargon. Even though it is possible the judge could give a first offender a very short stint behind bars, most instead get let off with a suspended sentence and a small fine (same as very petty theft). However, judges ain’t too chuffed with those who get caught again.
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26 comments
What advice would you give backpackers who are told by cops that they have to pay 100,000 baht or risk going to jail? Just to accept the jail term and not pay anything? What about that movie with Nicole Kidman? Wasn't that basically a documentary?
This may have been the case at one point in time however things have and are changing. The lack of cheap labour required during times of low production and resultant loss of "paid overtime" for workers who have managed to keep their jobs as well as the attitudes by employers towards employing women over the age of 26-28 who are seen as being "to hard to train and manage" has changed the market for "unskilled" workers.
My wife and I own and manage a small agricultural processing facility near Nong Khai employing around a dozen full time staff and I can assure you that wages in the whole region for anyone with "with no education at all" are certainly nowhere near 10,000 Baht per month.
"As for that sob-story of “I need money send home to take care family” academic Thai language studies have already proven that ladies-of-the-night save and send less money back home than other migrant workers of proper professions."
Do you have any documented evidence of this, links to published 'academic literature' ie: published theses, books or articles?
Asking someone to admit they are working as a prostitue, male or female, and declare their true income and just what they do with it is "nigh on impossible".
Since when was Nong Khai province located in central Thailand near Bangkok??
Stepping on a note is avoided when possible and I have sen folks 'WAI' after stepping on a coin or note, so it is not like stomping on a dollar in the wind...
Professional thug - I have been offered assistance for as little as 10,000 Baht - Murder would cost more, but 200,000 seems very steep. Yes, I live near Laos and folks from there work much cheaper than locals...
Ah, Yes, the poor girl story. Yes, 40 years ago, when we Americans were here in great numbers, this was the reality. However, even today, I know of five different women from one village who went to the resorts to work and send their families money. Parents of one girl have even bragged that their daughter works as a 'server' in Pattaya and sends them 20,000 Baht a month... Eventually, all of them allied themselves with foreign men; Australian, British & American and improved their lifestyles...
Yes, good money (10,000+ mo) can be made working, but teachers are so well paid that Universities can't get good students to stay and teach, police are open to bribes and Air Force officers sell women's shoes in the night market...LOL
Here, the author has come close - however, there are those who are in jail because someone else repacked their bags. If anyone is caught as a drug dealer or drug runner, the military and police have a very free hand. Not as bad as Kittikachorn's day, where a quick execution was the order of the day, but any suspect better have cash on hand when the police arrive - the more cash, the better their invisibility...
The author made it sound like anyone anywhere in Thailand could find a factory job at 10,000 a month...
Millions of Thai famlies live on less than 5000 a month...
Day labor here in Udon Thani is nominally 50 Baht...
Next, we'll be reading about copy-cats in jail getting paid to serve the time for someone else.
By the way: all what i have written comes from proper sources and not farang word of mouth. Before trying to even argue about how much civil servants earn, Central Region factory workers earn etc... go read all the proper relevant Thai language sources and not listen to your jack-the-lad brother-in-law
Are you havin' a go? I've kipped in Thailand yonks, me, and I's well aware a certain cultural, shall we say, peccadil-dos.
Why just now as I was going for an Eartha Kitt squat style, I saw an advert in English for hitman services right there on the bog door!: "Murder, cheap, cheap, 5,000 baht. Not same expensive Bangkok."
How can you argue with documentary evidence mate?
As for the cheap hitmen lark, again, read what's written before commenting. Sure you can hire some meth-addicted idiot to off someone for you for the low low price of 5,000 baht, but that is 5,000 baht less you'll have to spend in your prison account when you go to jail for the rest of your life. That person will certainly fink you out.
I'm sure the majority of farang caught with ganga are too scared to force things through to a legal conclusion and just pay the money. That is what cops rely on. If quoted something extravagant, refuse. Watch any documentary on Thai prisons where foreigners are interviewed and they're always in for huge amounts of drugs like heroin, etc, meant for shipping. They would go to jail for ages anywhere in the world. You never hear of a guy who sparked up a doobie on Khao San Road getting 10 years in the nick. It's a fiction.
I can not say so much about the salary, only MK announces a starting salary from 7.000 and "special money" plus "tip" (whatever that will be).
I am very sure that there is a lot of possible workplaces for everybody who is willing to work, especially for the uneducated. A great life is not affordable with that, but you dont have to sell your body to old guys at Pattaya for sure if you dont want to, but if your mother want to have a new motobike and dad likes pickups and the neighbourghs have a bigger TV than yours you have to do something about that!
From the official Ministry of Labour, notice the minimum wage rate which is effective from January 1, 2010, for the various regions also consider what the social security, tax and other work related obligations are and then do the math.
Its pretty hard to find 48 days in any given month, even using the Thai calendar.
http://eng.mol.go.th/statistic_01.html
(Steve notes: In the blog it states Plus Overtime!)
As for girls going to work in factories in Bangkok, with a lot of luck 7000 - 10,000 may be possible, not plentiful, then take off 3000 minimum for a small room and the extra cost of living there and there is little left to send home.
For reasons I don't want to go into here I know hundreds of 'bar girls' as friends, not as customer-client, and have spent many hours over the past 30 years talking to them. When you here the same story over and over again from many different girls from many parts of Thailand it starts to ring true. There are basically three reasons why girls got to work in the bars; 1. The Thai 'husband' has left them with a couple of kids and no way to support them, this means the grandmother has to take care of them and as there is little or no work in the area and kids and mother to support the is little alternative. You don't hear many reports of grandmothers and kids starving to death so I guess money must be sent home; 2, The father (or brother) has got drunk, lost an awful lot of money gambling and had to borrow money against the family home and land. The family then put their daughters under great pressure to go and work in the bars (couldn't possibly earn enough in a factory) to pay off the fathers debts ; 3, This is the worst case, the one that produces the real 'hardhearted' girls. In homes were the girl has been repeatedly sexually abused by her father and/or brothers and has run away. She sees herself as having no value and might as well get paid for doing what she had to do at home for free
There is of course one other reason that we, the farang, are totally responsible for. Look around in almost every village and you will see at least one new farang style house with a new pick-up on the drive, bought by the farang husband, and because the have been told it is the only way, all in the wifes name. It is amazing how many Thai village girls think that if you work in the bar you will get a farang husband who will give you things you could never possibly have if you work in a factory or shop.
Sure it should be considered that the wages in the countryside are lower, but dont compare the isaan ricefarmer wages with pattaya bars, because there are bars like this in the isaan too where these girls dont want to work.
Steve is talking here about average wages for people upcountry who come to CENTRAL Thailand, not those who stay in the employment wasteland that is the Northeast.
And as for this barstool investigative journalist who has spent 30 years hearing girls' stories, why don't you go to a factory and hear some of the stories there from girls in the exact same financial predicaments who took on honest labor instead of working in a bar?
That you quote 3,000 baht as the rent a Northeasterner coming to Bangkok would pay alone betrays the fact that the only info you get is from bargirls. A factory worker would either get extremely cheap accommodations somewhere near the factory (1,000 baht or under), or would share the cost of rent with two or more friends.
That you think the bar is their only way out is the height of ignorance, and likely reflective of the fact that you as a westerner want to see yourself as the knight in shining armor and a Singha Beer sleeveless t-shirt offering the poor chattel of this country its one hope of a better life. It's a load of patronizing buffalo pie.
"That you think the bar is their only way out is the height of ignorance, and likely reflective of the fact that you as a westerner want to see yourself as the knight in shining armor and a Singha Beer sleeveless t-shirt offering the poor chattel of this country its one hope of a better life. It's a load of patronizing buffalo pie." Ouch.
Nice read nevertheless.
FYI our facility supplies produce for an export production centre in Bangkok, part of the Interpack group of companies. All our staff are on rates equivalent to those of the staff in Bangkok, hence why I bothered to reply, this is part of an agreement signed to ensure parity and "harmony" between all suppliers and is actually very common in companies where a certain level of 'skill' and training is required even for 'unskilled' labour.
Given that as you stated most Thai factory workers and 'unskilled' labourers already work a 6 day week the amount of overtime they can work is limited and does not come anywhere near enough to justify a 50% increase in the basic wage which as per government figures is around 210-250 baht per day.
FWIW I entirely agree with your assertion regarding women who "Have to ‘Sell Their Body’ to Escape Poverty" however to state the anyone with no education can wander into "central Thailand" and earn 10,000 Baht per month is pure fiction.
p.s. I had my wife email MK Restaurants, recruit@mkrestaurant.com, and enquire as to their "basic" rate for wait or kitchen hand staff. They offer 10 to 15% above regional set minimum wage rates for the first year.
I asked several Thai girls about this, they hadn't heard of it and all said they would be happy to receive perfume as a gift from their bf.
My sister in law is very slowly building and improving her house in our village, over the past 10 years I have known her they have only managed to put a concrete wall around the ground floor pillars, nothing more.
The reason ? her and her husband work in a factory in Bangkok, they make about 6000 baht each, but have to pay their boss to rent the room from that, they have three kids that live with them in this room and they all are school age, leaving very little money to save for their village house, let alone send money home to mum and dad.
They never ask us for anything, I offered to go halves on a computer for their eldest son about 7 years ago, he is now studying computers at university, but they have never asked for a penny since. I have utmost respect for them, they put their kids first and work very hard for little money.
Of course there are other reasons besides increased salaries that these girls go and work in the bar, they definately stand more chance (in their mind - and in reality) of learning english and getting their claws into a man who can take her away from the bar and provide some security not just for her but for her kids and parents.
So, and as someone else has posted yes you can work in a factory for low money (circa 6000 baht less lodgings) a month which will leave you little money and no hope of getting out of the rut, or you can maybe earn more and have a chance of meeting someone who can take you away and improve your life.
incidently I have never partaken in the lady renting business and our village is remarkebly absent of bar money, except for one family of thais who sent their daughter to pattaya to make money and send home, has 5 boyfriends in tow and all send her money, despite me telling them about the other boyfriends - but that is another story.
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