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Comment from: ThaiDude
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A few questions about your facts:

#17: how could women have been granted suffrage when the country didn't even have elections?

#18: senators are non-partisan. How can one get a government senator? BTW, back in those days, they were all elected, so its even more difficult to say they are 'government' senators.

#20: King Rama I in fact did not join Thonburi to Bangkok. That happened in 1972. Previously it was its own province.
2009-10-05 @ 21:29
Comment from: Stephen Cleary
Thanx Dude.

Many of the sources can be found over on the forums, so didn't bother posting here.

17. is from "The Role of Women in Village Electoral Politics: A Historical Perspective" by Professor Katherine A Bowie

18. Not sure what you mean. The contents have their source in the Bangkok Post, The Nation, Thai Raj etc.... (2001)

20. Thon Buri is and was a part of Krungthep, not Bangkok.

2009-10-06 @ 12:21
Comment from: yango
"4. Bare Breasts are the Real History"

You were so absorbed about this issue, weren't you? Like with the Sunthorn Phu issue.
But you are lacking of the time line thing.
The usual nice top and long hair. Was Ayutthaya era.
But Thai women in Rattanagosin would be short cropped hair.
and Thai women back then doesn't always breasts exposed. If you read Khun Chang Khun Pan you would know that Wanthong offered her "Pha Song Sphuk" that she was wearing to a monk.
"Pha Song Sphuk" is like "Sbai" but wear on top of a shirt or undergarment.
Women and men back then had equally right to wear or not wear the top depends on place and time (gala tasa).
And Sunthorn Phu wasn't the first writer who told women to pay obeisance to men he just preserve what many other writers before him done. If you read the old poem you would know that some even told women to use their hair to wipe husband feet.
you will never unterstand the real Thai culture if you keep "akati" about Sunthorn Phu".
2009-10-07 @ 12:53
Comment from: George
Am i reading the same blog as Yango? Where can i read about Sunthorn Phu and women using their hair to wipe men's feet?
2009-10-08 @ 09:35
Comment from: Stephen Cleary
# Yango comment.
This is from 'Thailand's Political, Moral Panic, and Plunder' by Chang Noi (Pseudonym). Chang Noi, the author, is a professor in the department of sociology and anthropology at Chulalongkorn University. Maybe you should go and argue with her; she is Thai.
2009-10-08 @ 11:27
Comment from: yango
Wasn't it also professors at Chulalongkorn University who created false imformations back then in the first place.

and these days you can't rely on them than ever since Chulalongkorn University isn't a good University in term of the quality the only thing Chulalongkorn University is good about is the big connection. (Chulalongkorn University is no longer the 1st University in Thailand no more)

so if you can please let him/her knows about this since I don't know him/her. but I don't expect much from him/her because of the above reasons.
2009-10-08 @ 21:11
Comment from: Paul_012
Acually, no, for #20. The area originally known as Bangkok is on the Thonburi side of the river (hence the districts Bangkok Noi and Bangkok Yai). When the capital was moved to the east side of the river, foreigners who called the city Bangkok continued to use the old name, and so Bangkok became Krung Thep's international name.
2010-01-02 @ 22:41

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