Lazy Thais
By Paul Wilding
Monday 24th August, 2009 | 1766 words | Category: General | 18 feedbacks »

Spend anytime in Thailand and soon enough you'll come across someone telling you how lazy Thais are, this is a fact of life and one of the main foreign stereotypes of the denizens of the country. It seems to come from a couple of observations apparent about the country, these being many Thais often don't seem to have much enthusiasm for the work they are doing and seem to be distant even bored or only half awake which leads sometimes to poor service or mistakes. The second Thais seem to have little enthusiasm for the work life, most Thais don't seems to want to follow the western employment model of desiring a job in a good company and perhaps shining out and rising to a good position, they'd rather leave a decent job and start their own small shop doing little all day but waiting for customers.
Over the last 2 weeks I've accidentally on purpose started conversations with a number of locals in a range of places such as bars, commuter bus stops, a local shrine, noodle and rice stalls in the industrial districts and behind the counter of a shop, I met many interesting people but the few printed here were the most candid. All the people were strangers when I met them and I would like to thank them for their help in writing this article.
The Factory Worker
Pla is 20 years old and was raised on a rice farm in Nakhon Sawan along with her younger brother and sister. Like many families the burden of supporting the family and younger siblings fell upon the oldest daughter and 2 years ago Pla headed to Bangkok in search of work. Pla now works in a fruit juice bottling plant as a line worker, a job which he hates. Pla starts work at 7am each morning and finishes 5:30 pm in the evening, during the day she has a total of an hour in breaks. She works 6 days a week taking her weekly hours up to 65. Each year she has 10 days paid holidays and for this monumental labour she earns just 6000 baht a month, little more than the rent of a one room apartment in Bangkok. Pla shares the single room apartment with three other factory girls, all send around half their salaries to their families and have money left for little more than food not that they have much free time to spend it in. Pla has few needs, partly because life has taught her to, she eats two meals a day from street stalls and her prized possession is her mobile phone from which she texts and talks to her family half a dozen times a day. Pla resents the long hours she works and feels imprisoned by the constraints they place upon her life. At 20 years old she is still yet to have a boyfriend and has no social life, spending most of her day off resting. Pla has no secondary education so little chance of ever finding a better job, despite this she is an avid reader and likes to watch western movies on tv with subtitles preferring this to dubbing. Pla dreams of a way out of her plight and returning to the farm with her family, but this will have to wait until her brothers and sisters are grown up. Her eventual way out may come in two years time when her sister reaches 18 and may replace her in the factory.
The Bungalow Resort Workers
Gao and Puiy are sisters from Udon Thani and have been on Koh Samet for just over a year now working in on one of the island's smaller bungalow set ups. The sisters are based in a small bar/restaurant built on the beach which is open 18 hours a day serving drinks and cooking food on demand. In addition to this the girl's rent out the bungalows and clean the ones that become vacant. Working 18 hours a day 7 days a week means they must take any opportunity they get to sleep, this is usually in the mornings and afternoons when it is less busy where one of them sleeps on a camp chair behind the bar while the other one serves. As a result of this they get continual complaints and snide remarks by tourists about them being lazy as one beleaguered girl has to cook food, serve drinks alone while more customers wait and the other is visible asleep on the chair. The girls earn 6000 baht a month and get no holidays, not even public holidays, when I asked why on earth they would do such a job they replied it was better than working the paddy fields.
Boutique Worker
Som works in a small clothes shop in Bangkok's trendy Siam Square. Owned by two independent young designers it designs and manufactures it's own clothes and is frequented by many of the most fashion conscious young girls in the city. Som has worked there for just over a year, employees are employed on a casual basis and receive 500 baht a day cash in hand, also to Som's delight the staff are required to wear the latest designs while working so get a continual supply of free clothes. The shop works two shifts, 10am to 6pm and midday to 8pm staff get a short break to buy lunch but are expected to bring it back to eat it on premises so they can continue serving customers, staff work 6 days a week. The boutique can be every busy at peak times but also empty, when empty the staff are not expected to look busy and can socialise. Regular customers are encouraged to come into the shop to socialise with staff and chat about clothes, they will often stay all day. Som comes from a government family, but failed her exams at university. Her parents despair about the low classness of her work, but she is reasonably happy as it is such a friendly place to work.
Office Worker
Goy is a 32 year old officer for a large food exporter she has worked there since leaving college. There are over a hundred uniformed officers, all female, who work in a single large room and handle the company's clerical work. Goy like many of the workers is a farmer's daughter whose parents saved hard and sent her to college so she may have a better life. Work is from 8am to 6pm six days a week, the company has a fleet of buses that pick employees up from designated points to take them to work each day and drop them off after work it take around an hour to get to and from work using these buses so it is a round 12 hours day. Goy is very aware of western office hours and feels jealous. The company also has an improvement program where people stay after work to attend meetings or come in on their day off for training days, these are voluntary but Goy says no-one dare refuse. Goy says working for the company tends to be a one job for life as few ever leave, the mixture of the office girls ranges from recent college leaver to women reaching retirement age, in the job their is little hope of promotion.
Tourist Driver
Egg is a 47 year old tourist bus driver. He works for a company that arranges package tours around Thailand. He is currently driving a group of tourists from Malaysia to Pattaya and on an overnight break halfway through the journey which he is spending in a bar with a slack jaw and drinking copious amount of Thai whisky. Currently it's 3am, he has an 8am start tomorrow and says maybe he'll hit the sack for an hour or two, but in his job you learn to do without sleep. Egg doesn't know his working days or hours, sometimes he can be working 24/7 for a week taking a tour around, other times he gets days off. Egg says he earns good money but won't say how much, but that there is always good opportunity to make money when tourists are around. He loves his jobs and reckons it the best job he has ever had, he gets to see much of Thailand and likes foreigners, his previous jobs range from soldier and songteaw driver to tout.
Stall Holder
Pooky is a 29 year old clothes designer from Bangkok and has a shop in Chatuchak Weekend market. She spends weekdays designing and cutting clothes, and taking the design to dressmakers to have them made. On the weekend she is up at 5am and works till the market closes around 6pm. Pooky sells anything between 5-30,000 baht of clothes per day but 10-15,000 on average her net profit is around 40,000 a month. Pooky has a degree in communications from Bangkok university an worked for 7 years for a large media company image making for Thai pop acts but chose to leave to be her own boss.
At the start this investigation I knew Thais endured work conditions a lot harder than anyone in the west can conceive of surviving but I have to admit being surprised by one or two of the responses I got. Many of the interviewees did these jobs half of the time filled with both fatigue and a sense of futility in their working life and imprisoned into it by loyalty to their family with little hope of promotion or notion of escape. Many foreigners dreaming of an easy life working in Thailand ask is there any other job than English teaching they can do, how would they fancy these working hours? The few Thais who do escape do it by starting their own small businesses something preferable to even a decent job at a large company. Thailand has one of the largest wealth gaps of any country in the world and the wealthy ruling class who continually talk of patriotism don’t seem to include lowering their profit margins to pay their workers better and give them shorter hours. Next time you are a tourist in the city with the third most Mercedes on planet earth and get driven past by a fat arrogant man in a brand new 4 wheeler who refuses to give you an inch to cross the road or are teaching a student who tells you they never wash their clothes just wear them once and throw them away that way she gets the fun of shopping again, please blame these people for the bad service you get not the beleaguered Thai worker slaving around the clock to provide them with these luxuries.
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18 comments
They have great determination to excel in life as well with given opportunity if the system of hierarchy is fair. Each individual has different needs and demand.
Anyway, I don't think Thailand has a welfare system (like U.S.), so if can't work you basically don't eat.
Your so right in these article, I speak Thai & I always ask workers about their working condition eg hotels, taxi, resort workers etc....if Tourist know how hard they work for so little....they would understand why some Thai try to make a little more or look lazy & this is sometime call scam etc.....sometime I enjoy seeing scammer trying it on me esp Taxi or Tuk Tuk but I dont take it too seriously....if you think about it they only trying to make a few dollar more!....I've been to Europe & US....you dont get scam, but you have to pay large sum of cash which is call tips & over price drink in Europe, now that a bigger scam & it's all legal!! Paul can you send me link to your photos website, thx from your fellow photographer : )
i think the major difference is the wage/salary discrepancy. i would take it easy too if i had to work 10+ hrs earning a miniscule portion of those who work short darned hard hrs.
If we make a simplistic comparison between Thais and, say, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines and Laos, I would say there is a significant difference. Thais are easily the laziest and least motivated not just about work, but about life in general. They have low expectations and consequently low standards. You can make any comparison you want and Thailand comes out the lowest: literacy levels, IQ levels, corruption in government, military and police, bureaucracy, political instability, copying rather than innovating, number of beggars on the streets, number of patents per year, lack of senior managers in foreign companies based in Thailand who are Thai, number of "non-value added jobs" such as security, black market employment, scam artists, katoeys, lottery sellers.
It all stems from a culture of physical and mental laziness which begins in the family and continues in education and through employment. Thais accept systemic corruption because it's easier than working for a living.
It's interesting that in the second quarter this year all emerging economies have reported GDP growth greater than 5% (China, Indonesia, South Korea and Singapore >10%) - all except Thailand, which is still in recession and has borrowed massively to shore up the economy (Thailand's public debt stands at 112 billion USD or 43% of GDP).
Personally, it's not a big deal for me. Thais have many redeeming features but we cannot pretend they are not lazy compared to their SE Asian competitors.
@Leosia
You are an ignorant desperate White woman. Saying that Thais are the laziest out of all Southeast Asians is totally wrong. Our average IQ level is for sure higher than that of Filipino, Cambodian or Burmese etc. people. Beggars you can see in Bangkok streets are usually from Cambodia. Apart from that Thailand is the most succesful country in Southeast Asia in sports.
Judging by your website you are obviously a Thailandhater so why are you stayng in Thailand and talking shit about our country. Leave Thailand or hang yourself. Thanks.
I am aware of the extraordinary culture of inefficiency and overwork that makes life a living hell for so many employees in Thailand. No wonder the prettier women look for another way out!
But why, why, why! It seems so at odds with the easy going, sit under a coconut tree, ethos that otherwise is said to typify Thailand.
Could overwork be a Chinese thing? That's how they end to live their lives and it's Chinese Thais that dominate the commercial sector and are the big employers... it could be an explanation. I've certainly heard Isaan Thais being less than kind about their Chinese employers.
I read your paragraphs about workers on Koh Samet with special interest. In my 2004 novel, "Thai Girl" (see my website), my traveller characters sit on the beach at Samet eatng milk and honey and complaining that the wokers they see around them are slow and lazy.
Maca, a well-travelled Aussie puts them right in no uncertain terms. These young Issaan people are exploited, underpaid, overworked and exhausted and that explains their apparent indolence.
Needless to say, it's something I am constantly affronted by. Why can't Thailand assert some proper labour standards appropriate to the modern state that it is.
Andrew Hicks
One of the great issues in Thai culture is that people cannot accept or give constructive criticism - as your comment shows. Everyone likes to pretend that problems don't exist. That's why it doesn't get better. This is called igorance, and it's the worst position to be in for a developing nation.
"Could overwork be a Chinese thing? That's how they end to live their lives and it's Chinese Thais that dominate the commercial sector and are the big employers... it could be an explanation. I've certainly heard Isaan Thais being less than kind about their Chinese employers."
I read an article by the Siam Society blaming the rise of animism and decline in Buddhism as part of this. Buddhism teaches social values but animism teaches circles of relative interraction. Close family you need to be loyal to but people you've never met are of no concern, other people in your life somewhere between. The article say this is a factor in the growing greed and lack of compassion in the country.
I am an educated Thai person, but I don't think you would believe me because the words ''educated'' and ''Thai'' don't match in your tiny brain anyway.
However, do you really think I feel bad about you because you critize Thai politicians? I am not happy about that kind of politics and corruption either.
Well, I don't think Thai people achieved a lot. You have to be aware of that Thailand is still a developing country and our culture is very young. Before Thai (and Lao) states like Siam, Lanna and Lan Chang even exists (700-800 years ago) we were a big, but primitive tribe like Meow or Akha called Tai in the forests of panda bears in South China so you can't expect Thailand to be like Japan, S.Korea or Western countries who have invented PlayStation, ligh bulb or the steam engine. If the average Thai is not as smart as you claim I don't see a problem. Many middleaged people never got education. It is not their or the countrys fault. We were amongst the poorest nations in Asia. Today it is different. Everyone can enjoy free education, but as I already said I am not happy about the worth ethic of many Thai people. Many people don't take the chance free education offers.
But if you still think that Thailand is a country with all bad things and the worst out of all Southeast Asians countries why don't you want to leave? Tell me! Don't tell me you want to change Thailand to your imaginations. You are just talking and talking. Thailand doesn't need you.
All in all I can say that I am able to accept criticism, but when someone is lying about facts I can't accepts that. I hate lies and especially! Onesideness!!!!!
http://www.adb.org/media/Articles/2008/12437-asian-gdp-comparisons/
I hope this helps to get the discussion onto a factual level, rather than a slanging match.
1. Sanuk- or fun- everything should be fun!
2. Interactions with people are more important than "getting things done". I lived in Thailand and can attest that the value placed on greetings and interaction is much more important. The do not adhere to the Western philosophy of multi-tasking!
3. Mai Pen Rai- oh well...it's ok.. not a lot i can do about it.... it will work out... Oh, how i wished more Western's used this philosophy...instead of insisting things be fixed immediately or whatever it is they believe they have an urgent need for.
Living in Thailand was the most peaceful and wonderful experience I ever had- IMHO, they look at what is "really" important- friends, family, relationships... I can't wait to come back and am bringing students for volunteering- hope to retire here!!
Normally I like to comment on Thai Visa forum, but any subject seen to cricticize Thailand in any way is closed and deleted by the overzealous moderators.
The name caling above is completely unhelpful as I can see some very valid comments from Leo. The standard 'go home if you don't like it' is typical head-in-the-sand ignorance.
On the whole I do consider Thais to be lazy, whether it's cultural, the weather, working conditions etc I don't know. I am director of a medium sized business and wherever possible I will not hire Thai men as in my experience, past employees have been lazy, corrupt, untrustworthy, arrogant, dishonest and would prefer to sleep all day rather than work. Thai ladies on the other hand are the complete opposite. I have had 2 Thai girls that were lazt, corrupt....etc but generally they have been excellent. This is obviously going to bring on another tirade from John above, but I don't really care as this is my educated opinion, whether he likes it or not. When I say educated, I base this on 12 years working experience in Thailand. In fact, my Thai wife, who is a senior manager in an Aussie firm in Bangkok agrees with my comments and she does not want me to bugger off home. Yes, I have had some Thai male employees that have been excellent, but I could count them on one hand.
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First arriving in LOS in 1991 and returning to live in Thailand and Lao a few years later. I Spent much of the nineties & noughties photographing the country and teaching the locals English and cynicism in equal measure.
