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Fascinating post.
24/08/2009 @ 17:20
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In my opinion,Thai people are not so demanding and takes life easy come easy go.
They have great determination to excel in life as well with given opportunity if the system of hierarchy is fair. Each individual has different needs and demand.
24/08/2009 @ 23:51
Comment from: pat
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Agree with you benhctan re: "Thai people are not so demanding and takes life easy come easy go." People might mis-interpret that as lazy.

Anyway, I don't think Thailand has a welfare system (like U.S.), so if can't work you basically don't eat.
25/08/2009 @ 04:10
Comment from: ron rungsaroj · http://www.beautifulwest.com.au
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Hey Paul,


Your so right in these article, I speak Thai & I always ask workers about their working condition eg hotels, taxi, resort workers etc....if Tourist know how hard they work for so little....they would understand why some Thai try to make a little more or look lazy & this is sometime call scam etc.....sometime I enjoy seeing scammer trying it on me esp Taxi or Tuk Tuk but I dont take it too seriously....if you think about it they only trying to make a few dollar more!....I've been to Europe & US....you dont get scam, but you have to pay large sum of cash which is call tips & over price drink in Europe, now that a bigger scam & it's all legal!! Paul can you send me link to your photos website, thx from your fellow photographer : )
25/08/2009 @ 09:05
Comment from: Stephen Cleary
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I'd say that one of the major differences between work in Farangland and Thailand is that in the first you work short hours but work darned hard, and in the latter, you work long hours but take it easier. Now how many countries in the world like Thailand has shopping mall sales girls sitting around a lot of the day doing there make-up? Compare that to the UK where Friday nights see pubs full of stressed-out workers drinking their nuts out on binge sessions.
25/08/2009 @ 16:35
Comment from: pat
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"major differences between work in Farangland and Thailand is that in the first you work short hours but work darned hard, and in the latter, you work long hours but take it easier."

i think the major difference is the wage/salary discrepancy. i would take it easy too if i had to work 10+ hrs earning a miniscule portion of those who work short darned hard hrs.
25/08/2009 @ 20:09
Comment from: sally
Thais aren't the only one that are lazy. South East Asians in general are lazy and laid back especially the Malays
25/08/2009 @ 23:14
Comment from: Sved
Strange the Bungalow owner doesn't realise it reflects badly to have staff sleeping like that and hires more people.
26/08/2009 @ 07:51
Comment from: Leosia · http://leosia.com
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Interesting post. However (with respect!) I think a more interesting comparison would be between Thais and their SE Asian neighbours in developing countries. I agree that the predominant view from Westerners that Thais are lazy is misguided - but for a different reason. Westerners make the comparison from their own perspective and experience, which is usually that of working in a developed country where there is a strong work ethic, social security system, pension plans, etc

If we make a simplistic comparison between Thais and, say, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines and Laos, I would say there is a significant difference. Thais are easily the laziest and least motivated not just about work, but about life in general. They have low expectations and consequently low standards. You can make any comparison you want and Thailand comes out the lowest: literacy levels, IQ levels, corruption in government, military and police, bureaucracy, political instability, copying rather than innovating, number of beggars on the streets, number of patents per year, lack of senior managers in foreign companies based in Thailand who are Thai, number of "non-value added jobs" such as security, black market employment, scam artists, katoeys, lottery sellers.

It all stems from a culture of physical and mental laziness which begins in the family and continues in education and through employment. Thais accept systemic corruption because it's easier than working for a living.

It's interesting that in the second quarter this year all emerging economies have reported GDP growth greater than 5% (China, Indonesia, South Korea and Singapore >10%) - all except Thailand, which is still in recession and has borrowed massively to shore up the economy (Thailand's public debt stands at 112 billion USD or 43% of GDP).

Personally, it's not a big deal for me. Thais have many redeeming features but we cannot pretend they are not lazy compared to their SE Asian competitors.
27/08/2009 @ 10:54
Comment from: Paul Wilding Email
I was chattting to some Koreans the other night and asked them the working hours in factories. They said they use to be pretty similar to Thai hours but now are much shorter and down to 5 days a week.
28/08/2009 @ 13:33
Comment from: John Email
Well, as a young Thai men who studies at a big university in the West I am not happy about the work ethic of many people in Thailand, but you have to know there is a growing number of hardworking Thai like me who want to enjoy a nice lifestyle. You can be sure that I come back to Thailand to build our kingdom up na krub. :)


@Leosia
You are an ignorant desperate White woman. Saying that Thais are the laziest out of all Southeast Asians is totally wrong. Our average IQ level is for sure higher than that of Filipino, Cambodian or Burmese etc. people. Beggars you can see in Bangkok streets are usually from Cambodia. Apart from that Thailand is the most succesful country in Southeast Asia in sports.

Judging by your website you are obviously a Thailandhater so why are you stayng in Thailand and talking shit about our country. Leave Thailand or hang yourself. Thanks.
29/08/2009 @ 05:09
A quite remarkable article that says so much.

I am aware of the extraordinary culture of inefficiency and overwork that makes life a living hell for so many employees in Thailand. No wonder the prettier women look for another way out!

But why, why, why! It seems so at odds with the easy going, sit under a coconut tree, ethos that otherwise is said to typify Thailand.

Could overwork be a Chinese thing? That's how they end to live their lives and it's Chinese Thais that dominate the commercial sector and are the big employers... it could be an explanation. I've certainly heard Isaan Thais being less than kind about their Chinese employers.

I read your paragraphs about workers on Koh Samet with special interest. In my 2004 novel, "Thai Girl" (see my website), my traveller characters sit on the beach at Samet eatng milk and honey and complaining that the wokers they see around them are slow and lazy.

Maca, a well-travelled Aussie puts them right in no uncertain terms. These young Issaan people are exploited, underpaid, overworked and exhausted and that explains their apparent indolence.

Needless to say, it's something I am constantly affronted by. Why can't Thailand assert some proper labour standards appropriate to the modern state that it is.

Andrew Hicks
29/08/2009 @ 08:09
Comment from: Leosia · http://leosia.com
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@John I'm afraid your comments are the normal response from Thai people who face criticism. I'm certainly not a Thai hater - I really like Thailand and Thai people. But these are just plain facts. My site is mostly pointed at Thai politicians, who are amongst the most corrupt on the planet. If you actually go to Cambodia or Vietnam or the Phillipines you'll actually get a sense of how smart and hard-working these people are. Each of these countries have their own, largely historic problems. As for Thai IQ levels, you're wrong. In a survey published by the Ministry of Education a couple of years ago the average Thai IQ is 86 - 80 is considered a retard. As for Thailand being the most successful in SE Asia, that was over ten years ago. Just a little bit of research on your part will uncover the facts about GDP growth in SE Asia - but as usual Thais like to stick their heads in the sand and pretend they are some great nation who have achieved a lot. What has Thailand achieved? Well, a rice patent. Well done.

One of the great issues in Thai culture is that people cannot accept or give constructive criticism - as your comment shows. Everyone likes to pretend that problems don't exist. That's why it doesn't get better. This is called igorance, and it's the worst position to be in for a developing nation.
29/08/2009 @ 10:52
Comment from: Paul Wilding Email
Thanks for the post. Totally agree.

"Could overwork be a Chinese thing? That's how they end to live their lives and it's Chinese Thais that dominate the commercial sector and are the big employers... it could be an explanation. I've certainly heard Isaan Thais being less than kind about their Chinese employers."

I read an article by the Siam Society blaming the rise of animism and decline in Buddhism as part of this. Buddhism teaches social values but animism teaches circles of relative interraction. Close family you need to be loyal to but people you've never met are of no concern, other people in your life somewhere between. The article say this is a factor in the growing greed and lack of compassion in the country.
29/08/2009 @ 16:34
Comment from: John
@Leosia

I am an educated Thai person, but I don't think you would believe me because the words ''educated'' and ''Thai'' don't match in your tiny brain anyway.

However, do you really think I feel bad about you because you critize Thai politicians? I am not happy about that kind of politics and corruption either.

Well, I don't think Thai people achieved a lot. You have to be aware of that Thailand is still a developing country and our culture is very young. Before Thai (and Lao) states like Siam, Lanna and Lan Chang even exists (700-800 years ago) we were a big, but primitive tribe like Meow or Akha called Tai in the forests of panda bears in South China so you can't expect Thailand to be like Japan, S.Korea or Western countries who have invented PlayStation, ligh bulb or the steam engine. If the average Thai is not as smart as you claim I don't see a problem. Many middleaged people never got education. It is not their or the countrys fault. We were amongst the poorest nations in Asia. Today it is different. Everyone can enjoy free education, but as I already said I am not happy about the worth ethic of many Thai people. Many people don't take the chance free education offers.

But if you still think that Thailand is a country with all bad things and the worst out of all Southeast Asians countries why don't you want to leave? Tell me! Don't tell me you want to change Thailand to your imaginations. You are just talking and talking. Thailand doesn't need you.

All in all I can say that I am able to accept criticism, but when someone is lying about facts I can't accepts that. I hate lies and especially! Onesideness!!!!!
29/08/2009 @ 16:39
Comment from: davidL
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With people making assertions, it may be time to bring some facts to the discussion. The Asian Development Bank has statistics, if that's what one wants to discuss.

http://www.adb.org/media/Articles/2008/12437-asian-gdp-comparisons/

I hope this helps to get the discussion onto a factual level, rather than a slanging match.
03/10/2009 @ 18:39
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It is also important to understand some of the Core beliefs held by Thai's...
1. Sanuk- or fun- everything should be fun!
2. Interactions with people are more important than "getting things done". I lived in Thailand and can attest that the value placed on greetings and interaction is much more important. The do not adhere to the Western philosophy of multi-tasking!
3. Mai Pen Rai- oh well...it's ok.. not a lot i can do about it.... it will work out... Oh, how i wished more Western's used this philosophy...instead of insisting things be fixed immediately or whatever it is they believe they have an urgent need for.

Living in Thailand was the most peaceful and wonderful experience I ever had- IMHO, they look at what is "really" important- friends, family, relationships... I can't wait to come back and am bringing students for volunteering- hope to retire here!!
05/10/2009 @ 23:44
Comment from: Nick
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Interesting that I had to use a proxy server to access this website. This site is blocked by the Thai ministry of over sensitivity?
Normally I like to comment on Thai Visa forum, but any subject seen to cricticize Thailand in any way is closed and deleted by the overzealous moderators.
The name caling above is completely unhelpful as I can see some very valid comments from Leo. The standard 'go home if you don't like it' is typical head-in-the-sand ignorance.
On the whole I do consider Thais to be lazy, whether it's cultural, the weather, working conditions etc I don't know. I am director of a medium sized business and wherever possible I will not hire Thai men as in my experience, past employees have been lazy, corrupt, untrustworthy, arrogant, dishonest and would prefer to sleep all day rather than work. Thai ladies on the other hand are the complete opposite. I have had 2 Thai girls that were lazt, corrupt....etc but generally they have been excellent. This is obviously going to bring on another tirade from John above, but I don't really care as this is my educated opinion, whether he likes it or not. When I say educated, I base this on 12 years working experience in Thailand. In fact, my Thai wife, who is a senior manager in an Aussie firm in Bangkok agrees with my comments and she does not want me to bugger off home. Yes, I have had some Thai male employees that have been excellent, but I could count them on one hand.
03/02/2010 @ 10:54

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