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Comment from: Khun Don
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On part 1 I queried how European children would adapt to Thai school discipline-now I am wondering if many European-particularly British- teachers would be up to teaching in a Thai school-it is a long day and no doubt there is homework to mark after school as well.
As to teaching methods, I believe, unfashionably in the UK, that "rote" still has an important place in child education. Maybe if British children still chanted their "times tables" and were forced read aloud from books in turn around the class, the current low standards of numeracy and literacy would improve-subject, of course, to teachers not having their hands tied legally as to enforcing discipline!
12/02/2009 @ 17:26
Comment from: Betti
rote learning and project work are not mutually exclusive, are they? they all have their advantages and benefits, and their place in the learning process.

undoubtedly, large class sizes (basically any class size above 25!) mean that project work, group work, experiments etc become a lot less effective, chaotic, and almost impossible to monitor / control. if I had 40 kids in my class, I would be rather tempted to make them repeat everything after me and otherwise shut up! imagine 40 kids trying to ask questions or give suggestions.

btw, I'm appalled at the idea of little kids sitting in their classrooms until 4:45. even 3:30 is bad enough. homework should only be given in educational systems with half-day schooling. the more teaching experience I have (in 3 countries now), the more I believe that kids have a finite amount of energy and concentration. if they are required to make it last for 4 hours a day, as in many countries in Europe (I was at home by midday in grade 1 and 2!), those 4 hours will be a lot more effective. if they have to make it last 8 hours a day, they will just be less efficient, simply learn how to pretend to be listening, repeat after the teacher in autopilot mode, sleep with their eyes open, or switch off totally. not exactly what we would want kids to learn at the age of 7 or 8. in the end, the same amount of learning will take place, but a lot of time is wasted. this is one of the reasons why I am not a prathom or mattayom teacher.
12/02/2009 @ 18:49
Comment from: Khun Don
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You have a very good point there, Betti. There is a point where the mind just shuts off and further information feeding is wasted.
I have seen films on the Japanese "Juku" system-private after school schools- where the students are sent at night in the race to get to get good exam results to get into a "good" secondary school or improve exam grades towards University entrance.
Children asleep at their desks.
Certainly no learning there.

Similarly Chinese schools where lessons go on to 9:30PM-having started 11 or more hours previously-again for a University entrance exam.
Meaningful Homework, however, does have some benefits, it teaches children to organise and discipline themselves, and is useful in adding depth to a subject already covered in class -but I do not think any child should be faced with homework before the age of 11-Secondary School entry age in the UK.
13/02/2009 @ 17:33
Comment from: Betti
Khun Don - I lived in Taiwan for over a year and I saw a lot of heartbreaking things. 6-year-old kids are putting in 10-hour days at school and cram school, and two thirds of secondary school students are given amphetamines by their parents to keep them awake and alert while they are preparing for their exams. (and this was reported matter-of-factly in newspapers.) what has happened in Taiwan is a modern miracle, they dragged themselves out of poverty within a few decades, but it is costing a lot in human lives. but at least they are getting somewhere with all the hours and hours and hours they are putting in, whereas Thailand's education and economy are sort of stuck.
13/02/2009 @ 18:13
Comment from: Khun Don
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Betti-Shocking (really!) and absolutely crazy.
One wonders how the majority of people cope psychologically in adult life after such a childhood. I say the majority as there must be a number of serious emotional and mental casualties from this treatment.
13/02/2009 @ 20:31
Comment from: Allan Ford
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My province in Australia has the worst learning outcomes of any westernised country mainly because it does not do any of the things that make Thai education different from that in Western countries.
14/02/2009 @ 12:36
Comment from: aknj
I recalled attending tutoring classes in the evening almost everyday after long hours at school. I also attended summer school every years for preparation for the next school years. It must have done me some good because I got to attend Triam Udom Suksa, the best high school in Thailand (back then, at least). I later came to the USA where I eventually got my Ph.D. and became a scientist. If it's not for those rigorous learning/training I had when I was young, I doubt if I would be where I am today.
14/02/2009 @ 22:15
Comment from: Betti
I never attended a minute of extra classes, homework classes or summer school. I loved to read, though, and in my free time I systematically went through the books at my local library. I went to the best secondary school in my country, got 2 master degrees, and went for a PhD, which I dropped out of after 3 years and several publications later, because I really wanted to teach, and I had no time to. I may go back to do a PhD sometime when I am not happy just to be teaching anymore.
I doubt I would be where I am if I had had to go to extra classes, I think I would have got sick of learning if more had been forced down my throat while I was still just a small kid.

even four or five hours a day at school can be rigorous and effective, believe me. the difference is that you have the remaining time to spend on library, friends, playing music or sports, or more classes if you need - you have choices, you have a life.
15/02/2009 @ 20:53
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
Nong Grace's teacher keeps asking her about going to Saturday morning school. She is only five and in K2. I cannot see the point at her age and anyway, she is top in her class at present. If she did extra lessons at the weekend then I think it should be for something like music, art or dance. Now the teachers are trying to persuade them to sign up for summer school. A lot of them do as they are bored at home and often miss their friends. At our school, about 70% sign up for summer school.
16/02/2009 @ 07:34
Comment from: Betti
hopefully, it will be more like 50% for us. usually only those who have nobody to take care of them at home during the holidays, or new students coming in with no English.
16/02/2009 @ 11:09

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