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Comment from: Khun Don
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Very very interesting, Steve. However, I am still left in the dark. After all, one persons "truth" is another's "propaganda".
Looking forward to part 2 and the "compo"!
2008-11-02 @ 19:25
Comment from: mangomike
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I believe most foreigners living in Thailand know there is corruption.
However, probably they do not know that it is on such a grand scale as mentioned here.
Thank you Stephen for allowing your readers to gain some insight as to what PADs motive is and what they hope to gain.
2008-11-02 @ 21:32
Comment from: KhunChin
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PAD should come up with a viable solution. Corruption is rampant even before Thaksin became Prime Minister. So to blame him alone for corruption is unfair. The corrupt practice cannot be wipe out overnight. In Indonesia, it is a known fact that some people have 2 incomes, one of salary and another to be provided by Bapak, the big brother who will help to get the money and split the spoils.

Having said that, how can PAD assured that future leaders put up by PAD will not involve practice? For over 30 years, Ajarn Nimit Somboonwit have witness the evolution of Thai politics. Have there been a moment that Thai is able to get rid of corruption and better the lives of individuals? May be the kick-backs goes into the smaller group of Thaksin people compared to years ago where more people share the spoils. From economic standpoint as long as the amount in % of kick-back does not increase, why is the fuss?

Democracy must be given time to matured. it is through education. With the advent of ICT, more and more people have access to information and given another 1 or 2 generation, democracy will be achieved. If you look at the French democracy formation and development, democracy only matured after the 5th republic.

2008-11-02 @ 22:00
Comment from: Jurgen_J
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Even though i don't agree with some of what Ajarn has to say, i admire his love and determination to develop his country. Compare that to a crook in exile who wants nothing more than ruining and dividing his country for his own self interest. Long Live Thailand.
2008-11-03 @ 00:19
Comment from: Mark Lamerton · http://siamenglish.com
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I think this is an excellent interview which illustrates why Thailand is so polarised. Some of what Ajarn Nimit Somboonwit is true but much of it is propaganda. For example, the use of the ASTV satellite to spread lies and incite violence, the PAD's use of firearms, knives and explosives to 'protect the constitution', the fact that under Thaksin, Thailand was one of SE Asia's strongest economies and enjoyed double-digit growth (despite all the corruption).

He mentions that foreign journalists don't understand the Thai situation but I think they do. The only journalists who have visited the North-East and interviewed the other-half (the stupid people as the PAD like to call them) are foreign journalists. The Nation and Bangkok Post are far from neutral, and only print opinions and analysis which supports the PAD.

It's as if nobody can think straight and actually talk about the facts. Thailand under the PAD pseudo-dictatorship would be just the same, but with zero economic growth.
2008-11-03 @ 08:26
Comment from: Ted
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I think Western style democracy don't really work in the Third World generally. When a country has a significant population who are uneducation or impoverished, the politics of fear and pork-barrelling dominates the day for these "democracies". Very good examples are my native Singapore (albeit wealthy but fearful populace) and neighbouring Malaysia.
So when someone from the CNN or whether Dubya or Gordon Brown talk about freedom and democracy - it is not entirely ideal in places like these.
2008-11-03 @ 08:46
Some interesting takes Stephen, appreciate your effort. Especially the take on the English-language media in Thailand being afraid.

But come on, it reads like a dreamy Disneyland world, repeating a ton of clichés and offering a similar ton of glossy propaganda.

To this day we unfortunately haven't heard of the PAD what it is that they exactly offer and want.

They sound and look beautiful - but the real Thai world works differently.

Let the PAD prove themselves. Form a party, work from the grass root level upwards and leadership downwards - and face discussions and debates.

What we've seen so far from the PAD has sadly only deepened divisions and hatred within society.

They've become an end in themselves. Take away their mighty, nameless financial backers - and the PAD go "poof".

They enjoyed many people's backing.

Let's face it, most of it is gone. The march last week along Sukhumvit was like another nail into their coffin.

They didn't mobilize the masses, but turned out to be another traffic nightmare.

That's all they're now. A nuisance.

And suddenly ready to talk to the government. They realize themselves that they've overstayed their welcome.

Even worse: All they did so far is unwillingly strengthen Thaksin.
2008-11-03 @ 09:16
Comment from: Hanuman
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It is naively easy for foreigners to jump to conclusions and demand that ASTV is glossy PAD propaganda while simultaneously weeping at the feet of the democracy and believe the government’s propaganda of a democratically elected government.

The Bangkok Post, The Newspaper You Can Trust, has been transformed into a propaganda mouthpiece for the government churning out anti-PAD reports as hastily as it does letters from Thaksin lovers in Postbag. Co-incidentally, The Post’s Newsline is broadcast on the government controlled NBT channel.

Since the staple diet of the foreign media is the reports as published at The Post who can not dismiss the possibility that the government is paying millions in backhanders to the big names there for positive government reporting.

Not only do foreigners have a only a “birds eye-view” state of Thai politics, it is also a crooked crossed-eye one.

The foreign media are quick off the mark to discredit the PAD for taking the law into their own hands, yet since they are children to the history of recent Thai politics they are ignorant to Thaksin’s past violent record of taking the law into his own hands. Thousands have died in the restive south since Thaksin arose to power. Up to 3,000 died in Thaksin’s War on Drugs, tens were massacred in cold-blood at Thai Bai’s holy mosque and another hundred were suffocated to death in Thaksin trucks.

Democratically elected governments in the name of Thaksin have been nothing of the kind. They have been bloody regimes.

As noted by Paul Handley in his infamous book, Thaksin has been dangerously meddling with the land’s highest institution ever since 2001. With his billions he’ll continue on that course with the delirious brainwashed DAAD.
2008-11-03 @ 11:50
Comment from: Bkk businessman
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How can you take this guy seriously when he was a marxist but now claimed to be protecting the country's highest institution? Is he so repentant as to cross the political polar entirely or is he just totally confused? Maybe he should get a check-up. The only consistent principle he is continuing to uphold is autocratic rule. As much as I despise Thaksin (he lost my sympathy ever since he ordered the drug killings), the PAD is just a loose alliance of Thaksin haters with no common political goals.
2008-11-03 @ 14:57
Comment from: Benem
I allways think it is sad when educated westerners fall for the stupid things the PAD says.
When even the people that have all the profits from their democratic system dont believe in it, I wonder how democracy could survive...

Ben
2008-11-03 @ 21:05
Comment from: Khun Lexhead
Thank you for offering something directly and unfiltered from the horse's mouth. It seems that PAD's own rationaizations are fairly thin, aren't they. When we strip away everything though, this remains about what sort of government the Thais will have for themselves. Using the spectre of Thaksin is pure folly. The courts are and will take care of him. This is about whether a representative government will continue, or a government allowing a few powerful people to control everything will replace it. The vote buying, to the extent it really works, is just a straw man. It happens on both sides and is really more a cultural issue than a political one. Thaksin's policies were popular in the rural north because they produced tangible improvements in people's lives. No one in Bangkok wants to talk about that.
2008-11-04 @ 03:09
Comment from: BUCKY
I like the part where PAD think majority of Thai people are too stupid (to vote) and give in to corruptions. Its funny for a foreigner.
2008-11-04 @ 10:03
Comment from: pichai
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Just want to say that what Stephen and Ajarn Nimit have disclosed is absolutely true.
Confirmed!
2008-11-09 @ 22:01
Comment from: Sumarido Email
Thank Stephen for making this post to everyone.

Taksin is a very bad bad guy. For any Farang who admires Taksin, please think twice.

He, as a prime minister, wanted to launch a special national lottery just to use the profit to buy one British football team.

He's behind the corruption in Suwanapoom's airport, the worst airport ever.

He said that he would stop involving politics but look what he has been doing.

He wants to overthrow our king. He wants to be the king himself.

I am very sad to see many of your comments supporting Taksin. If there is any magic to change the minds of many Thais and foreigners who still think Taksin is good for Thailand, I really really want to have that magic.

Seriously, Taksin should be killed. The faster, the better.




2008-11-10 @ 17:08
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So what side does Steve fall on? I will have to read this in more detail..It appears to be a great blog!
2008-12-07 @ 07:12

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