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Comment from: Khun Don
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Thank you,Richard for a very interesting and unbiased report on what is happening.
Hopefully a permanent solution that is acceptable to all will be found sooner rather than later.
2008-09-07 @ 22:04
Comment from: Suzie
Good Lord! It's like watching a drama. I want to laugh and cry at the same time.

Thanks Richard for the update.
2008-09-08 @ 01:02
Comment from: Observer
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Excellent report Richard. Is the thug/security guard who beat the motorcycle driver pictured here?

It's interesting what a factor foreign perception is playing in this current round of Thai protests. You have the government not wanting to send the police in to bash heads and clear house for fear of how it would look to an international audience, and you have the PAD brutalizing (in Thaksin-era extrajudicial style) some guy on a motorbike, but stopping when they see a foreigner with a camera.

You know you're living in a globalized world when even the mobs are worried about their international image.
2008-09-08 @ 07:42
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
Yes, the guy who did the beating is the one in the white t-shirt holding the iron rod. I took this picture from about 30 metres away with a zoom lens. I was taking a picture of the police paddy wagon at the time when I noticed that the people at the PAD checkpoint had stopped a guy on a motorcycle. I only took this one picture as it seemed routine and I was in the middle of taking pictures elsewhere.
2008-09-08 @ 10:52
Comment from: Jacob
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A great first hand report. What is your estimate of the number of supporters in the crowd when you were there. And how many of those do you think were just passing through like yourself?
2008-09-08 @ 11:30
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
It is difficult to estimate numbers as they are spread out so much. The picture of the supporters in front of the crowd is basically the entire audience. There were others spread around the grounds but they were either sleeping or doing something outside. There were also a dozen or so televisions around the area and a few people were watching in front of each set. Difficult to also say how many loyal supporters. By the look of them, a lot of the people sleeping or washing their clothes could easily have been homeless people who were taking this opportunity to get a free meal. I would guess there were about 1-2,000 people present. But only a few hundred in front of the main stage.

It is interesting to note that up to now I always thought that the crowd was large 24 hours a day. This is because of the coverage on ASTV. But, watching again since I came back, I can see it is more a trick of the camera that gives an impression that there are more people than there really is. The camera keeps panning over the same section each time making sure the protestors are always full screen and that there are no empty spaces. At times of day when there aren't many people watching, the cameras will stay more on the speakers.
2008-09-08 @ 14:03
Comment from: Khengsiong Chew
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Thanks, Richard, for this great post.

Speaking about the crowd... PAD accused PPP of bribing the voters. But I wouldn't be surprised if PAD bribes the so-called demonstrators too.
2008-09-08 @ 15:12
Comment from: Abbie
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I don't really want to support PAD I like those clapping hands I saw on tv. You have them in your pictures. Do you know how much they cost and where in Bangkok can I buy them?
2008-09-08 @ 17:11
Comment from: Gary
I remember an "uprising" in the capital in the 80's, a farang correspondent was shot dead by either the rebel or military, no one ever took notice, but his next of kin.

Be wary, you have an invisible target on your back, whether you realize it or not!

I've seen these peaceful "love-in" type gathering go from flowers in your hair to head bashing in a matter of seconds!

I remember my friend "Janie" who thought she was a correspondent in Old Patong, she was "covering" the recent "green/anti-tantilum mine" in Phuket when the crowd saw her camera and suddenly turned on her, took her camera, beat her husband and set fire to their motorbike!

Nothing new under the sun...

CYOA...please
2008-09-08 @ 22:12
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
@ Khengsiong Chew - I wouldn't be surprised if a fair number of the people there are paid employees. Apparently, the majority of the ASTV staff (about 600) have been shifted to cover the rally. Which explains why some of the news anchors have a habit of saying "we" when talking about the rally.

I would say that the militants on guard duty are paid. And the monk army is also under the control of Chamlong.

@ Abbie - As far as I know you can only buy the clappers at the protest site in Bangkok. We will be giving one away soon as a competition at our forums www.ThailandQA.com

@ Gary - I agree with you 100%. It was stupid of me to intervene and I don't know what I was thinking. But, at least I was wise enough not to take any pictures of the beatings and just carried on walking once they released the guy. I assure you I was careful and calculated the risks before I entered the area. I would advise everyone to stay clear as these guys on the checkpoints literally have itchy trigger fingers. They were obviously bored and just wanted to take out their rage on someone.
2008-09-08 @ 22:50
Comment from: BUCKY
Excellent report!
2008-09-09 @ 16:53
Comment from: astroskizzato
but after the court judgement of what happens to protesters?
2008-09-09 @ 19:32
Comment from: krungtep
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New on this site. Very good open report, without choosing sides. Gives good information
2008-09-10 @ 06:46
Comment from: kuson Email
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Richard, thanks for the good & unbiased report.

Just on the Violence:
I would like to give some probability answer to the 'violence' you saw on the motorcyclists. I am Pro-PAD, joined rally a few times, and have been suspected of being a NPK spy.

Here's my say:

I predict up to 80% that the motorcyclist had been doing lots of rounds of spying activity around PAD area. PAD guards who guard the area are there whole day to look for suspicious activity. If one sees "the same person going over and over again in the area, looking here and there and everywhere", he is likely to be stopped to interrogate.

In interrogation, he will be interrogated: 1) Show some ID - note the locality 2) Notice the Accent 3) Notice Alcohol use (a common form of payment to do the rounds) 4) Ask why one is riding around again and again. [If you enter PAD area, there will be a bag and body search]

I've noticed PAD guards will notice something suspicious, and will call upon others to see if they see the same. Once they see it, they interrogate. If its definite, they "arrest you".

Here's my experience: I was held suspicious because during the night of 2nd I was at center stage at PAD area, when the NPK came attacking to PAD position, I had a phone constantly phoning me, a videocamera, and near the stage area. PAD guards surrounded me, and asked what I was doing - who I was phoning which I showed diligently, show ID (like I mentioned above). Later a more white collar person comes up to me for further interrogation. All along I was not touched, but rallied on peacefully under watchful eyes of 2 PAD guards in a distance (I could see them looking at me). After a while they were just ok.


What I can conclude of my experience in PADDING, is that they have a strong perimeter (barbed wire againsts NPK mob storming in), strong guards, great security (with systematic spy-ware sniffing mechanisms). What I can say is, I do encourage alot of you to go and enjoy the once-in-a-lifetime birth of Thai's Interest in Auditing His Government, enjoy the Temple Fair Atmosphere where lots of PADs bring their girlfriends, boyfriends, baby, son, mother and enjoy amicable, picnic like atmosphere, with great music and weather (esp in evening, if its not raining), and especially if you understand Thai, understand why the Government [which we know have lots and lots of unsavory figures] are illegitimate, more illegitimate in democratic principles than PAD itself.

I would like to conclude that the violence you saw was 80% a security mechanism on behalf of the safety of the PAD perimeter as a whole, and reserve only 5% for some sort of personal vendetta (if any) and 15% of unknown, and would like good Thai Citizens and Tourists alike to safely enjoy the event.

IMHO.


[Note: Lots of Foreigners do not have the same view as PAD (since they are referencing to own principles of democracy where voters are clearly well-informed and not used), and PAD do know this. Also Foreigners who do not know Thai language is very hard to comprehend the good information that is said on stage. So if you do go, I think if you can ask the English speaking persons of what the stage is saying, one would be more enjoyable or understanding; Whether to agree or not, is depneds on one's Well-informed Decision ]
2008-09-17 @ 16:19
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
Thanks kuson for your comments. I personally thought that as there had been a number of days with no activities, that these PAD guards were a little bored and wanted action. However, having said that, you have to admire the "generals" for organizing their troops and keeping discipline. There are so many of them. I believe it was mainly due to the intervention of the coup leaders that the street fighting wasn't as bad as it could have been. The Government House is a big complex and it must be difficult for them to maintain security.
2008-09-17 @ 17:53
Comment from: Ben
"since they are referencing to own principles of democracy where voters are clearly well-informed and not used"

Stupid poor people never know how to elect the right thing...

a great report about the protests. Thank you a lot for that.

BEN
2008-09-21 @ 23:45
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
The Nation today had this article about the PAD guards which reminded me of my own experience of them.

The People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) loves to point the finger at its opponents accusing them of using violence against its so-called peaceful assemblies, but it has done everything in its power to cover up the violence committed by its own members, particularly by PAD security guards.

PAD speakers and supporters consistently mention the incident in Udon Thani that saw a group of anti-government protesters attacked by a pro-government group. Likewise a minor clash that occurred between the PAD and police during the latter's first attempt to remove the group from Government House following a temporary order from the Civil Court is also brought up repeatedly to demonstrate how violence is being used against protesters.

However, the self-proclaimed peace-loving PAD has never taken the violence committed by its own side seriously. Protest leaders have made aggressive demands for officials who injured protesters last month to be brought to justice, but they have not uttered a word over the death of Narongsak Kobthaisong during a clash between the PAD and rival group the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD) earlier this month. None of the PAD leaders called for justice for Narongsak, who was apparently from the DAAD side, never mind mentioning the possibility of an internal investigation to find the protesters responsible for the killing.

Violence on a different scale has taken place many times during the sit-in protest at Government House. Voluntary guards and the so-called Sri Wichai warriors have a deep mistrust for newcomers who join the protest and suspect them of being members of opposing groups there to infiltrate the protest.

Media representatives are not exempt from this treatment and must go through whole-body searches before entering the protest site. Many of them have also been harassed.

Mere suspicions have sometimes ended up in violence, as a video clip shot by a TV7 cameraman last week demonstrates. The station decided to broadcast the clip showing a group of PAD security guards beating a man at Makkhawan Bridge. The incident happened at about 5.30pm on September 17, when the man, later found out to be Nattaphong Thanetpaisan, walked among the protesters carrying a big bag. He was stopped by the guards, resisted their attempt to search him and was beaten as a result.

Once he realised that the beating was being filmed, one of the guards used a huge blue plastic tarp to block the scene, while the beating went on. The clip is now available on YouTube. A guard told reporters that Nattaphong had been struck because he had refused to allow guards to confiscate an air rifle that he had carried into the area. Nattaphong said he had not intended to carry the rifle onto the protest site but had been trying to walk through the protesters, who were blocking Ratchadamnoen Avenue, heading to Dusit Zoo.

Police said they could not arrest anybody since a complaint had not been filed over the incident. PAD's leaders paid the case no attention.


Click here to watch this video clip.
2008-09-22 @ 17:48
Comment from: no-free-speak
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Cool another censored forum from farang who forgot the western tradition of democrazy
2008-12-01 @ 05:51
Comment from: ThaiDude
PAD are a well-funded, well-supported (in influence, not numbers) cult with their own laws, security, investigations, and 24x7 vitriolic, spiteful, and angry indoctrination which they proclaim to be "truth" enough to justify their actions.

But in 5 days of the airport seizure they have been a worse solution than the "problem" Thaksin was in 5 years. Now the PAD has also successfully evolved into a terrorizing mafia gang that holds people at ransom for their demands to be met.
2008-12-01 @ 07:16

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