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"I counted a total of around almost 30% of the ‘new student’ females who did not last the ten days."

Could we say then, Stephen, that your mind was not seeking refuge in the Triple Gems 100% of the time you stayed there?

I did this once. A challenging experience that I'm glad to have had; notice the past tense there as I don't think I'll ever do it again. Your blog gave me some unpleasant flashbacks of ice-cold showers before the sun comes up . Also of having daydreams about those jam sandwiches in the afternoon, and relishing the ovaltine that came with it.

Anyway, Stephen, good post, and valuable for people who are thinking of doing this. Got me a hankering for a burger now.
2008-08-17 @ 17:41
Comment from: oakmonster · http://www.oakmonster.com
Khun Steve, I did one of these almost 10 years ago with a different "master". Mine was a nun and it was an all female event, I think. I don't really remember. It was earlier in college summer break.

We had the mat and very skinny futon on top to sleep on. We share the big sleeping hall with everyone. The first night I couldn't sleep. I was hungry. I cried the second night and wanted to go home. Many others did too and they were adults! It was really a threshold that second day. If you make it through that, the rest was easy.

At walking mediation, for some reasons I would get very dizzy and nauseous. My thought is that is the motion of the crowd...never do well in crowd. But I really don't know what it was. The advisers thought I was faking it until I ran/walked off heaving and turned quite green a few times after they made me rejoin the walk. So I ended up walking when I can and sit out the rest.

It was a valuable lesson in meditation. I haven't actually sit and do it in a long time, but I remembered the techniques though. Like muscle memory.
2008-08-17 @ 22:41
Comment from: Sarathi
I did a 10 day Goenka course. I never went back a second time, but do recommend it for everyone. It was a good experience.
2008-08-18 @ 10:37
Comment from: Clashfan
I have given a serious thought about doing it.
However, a system which does not allow anyone to eat after 12pm
scares me of.....
2008-08-18 @ 10:39
Comment from: Khun Don
According to the blog-you can eat on the course after midday.
2008-08-18 @ 10:39
Comment from: Clashfan
Hi Khun Don, thanzs for your leads. However, do you happen to know of any temple that would offer more than 2 meals daily and do offer atleast 3 days course. I am in sales and could only do the course over the weekend.
Thanzs.
2008-08-18 @ 10:40
Comment from: rainbow721
Please forgive me but i beg to differ.

i am sometime quite puzzled why there is such a need to starve the body until midday during meditation retreat? I thot Lord Buddha teaches the middle path. Isn't it quite extreme for such an regime? Our body needs proper nutrient to maintain balance and peace. How can one meditate when the mind is constantly thinking of food? Depriving it from its basic needs reminds me of Lord Buddha in his quest to gain enlightenment nearly starve himself to death until Sujata came to his rescue with food. He then realised that it is unnecessary to starve to the extreme. He regained his health by practicing the right way until he reached his enlightenment in nirvana. I believe that fasting once or twice a month is good for the body but not to the extent of near starvation for days.

While it is unhealthy to eat junky foods, it is also necessary to eat basic proper meals regularly in order for the mind to concentrate on other important things. I feel that it is better for us to starve our mind from unhealthy thoughts than to starve our body from food.
2008-08-18 @ 10:41
Comment from: Stephen Cleary
For more readership on a permanent future basis i copied some comments above from the Forums.
Again, thanks Noel for recommending the center. And Oakmonster for her re-enactment of all those years back!

Clashfan: The best place for you looks like Wat Mahathat in Bangkok near Sanam Luang for short courses - Google this "Wat Mahathat Bangkok Meditation" for info.

Rainbow721: I think it's a little full-on to use the word 'starve'! It really goes like: our body usually needs 2 proper meals and one light meal a day to work properly. However, when you are on a meditation retreat you don't need so much food as your body doesn't need it, ie...you aren't exactly wasting too many calories sat around! When you feel hungry in the late afternoon on a med retreat, your body is asking for food cause it is used to it, not cause it needs it - that is where 'self-control' comes in. It's like an alcoholic feeling the urge for a drink. That's to say, not everything we urge for is good for us.
Monks too, only eat twice a day for the above reasons.
Oh yes...one more good reason for not eating too much on a med course is due to drowsiness. After eating a decent sized meal the last thing you wanna do is meditate as you will feel like falling asleep! I felt this a few times but since the Blog above is already a big one, i left it out.
I wouldn't worry too much about not having a meal in the evening, your mind and body very soon gets used to going without. What i felt more of an urge for was a decent meaty meal instead of repititious veggies.
2008-08-18 @ 10:58
Comment from: oakmonster · http://www.oakmonster.com
Yep. The first few days having 2 meals were quite hard. But the body does adjust to what is needed. After the first few days, your body adjusted to the routine of meditation and the calorie intact, it seems. Once I was adjusted to that, I didn't feel hungry any more.

With my program, we had a light snack of a carton of soy milk and banana when we first woke up for the morning session at 5 a.m. or something that early. Then we had proper breakfast around 8, lunch at noon, and we had another snack before bed time.

Also, you may have 2 real meals but they didn't stop you from going for seconds or anything if you really need the food.

I agreed with Sarathi. I really appreciated having gone to one, but to go again, I'm not sure I want to. But I might do it for my mom down the road. I did it for her then too, come to think of that.
2008-08-18 @ 11:14
Comment from: Khengsiong
Goenka's course is all about sitting. This is where the tough part is. In contrast, Mahasi Sayadaw style intertwines sitting with walking.

Thanissaro Bhikkhu of Wat Metta in California said that 'intensive retreats are not sustainable'. They are great for lay people who want to see fast results. If you have one month, perhaps a not-so-intensive retreat in one of the forest monastery is more suitable.
2008-08-21 @ 08:54
Comment from: Angela
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I went to a 10 days silent retreat in Chaya, near Suratthanni and I loved it, helped me stop smoking as well... Suang Mok (the monastery) is a fantastic place to practice it, they gave me all instruction you need as well.

Later on while staying on Samui on holidays I learned that the same people organises 5 day retreats as well. Will try next time.

On the resort I stayed (Kamalaya Koh Samui) they give some instruction as well so I could keep up my practice.

Now I am back home struggling to continue with it on my own.

Cheers for your post

A.
2008-08-22 @ 16:22
Comment from: Jane
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I've done a few 10 day Vipassana retreats - it is fantastic. Don't get put off if you found the first one hard - I did too. It gets much easier when you go back again as you are not spending all your time wondering what comes next, you learn how to balance your mind, and go, and the results are wonderful! My whole life has changed. I now do a retreat every year and find I feel so recharged and energised. My relationships have improved, as has my enjoyment of life. It takes hard work and practice but the benefit is definitely there! I have even volunteered on courses and you get so much from helping others, developing compassion and learning how to apply the technique in daily life! PS You get fruit in the evenings on your first course and if someone is sick, pregnant, elderly or for medical reasons they get dinner. As you are sitting all day, you don't need the food you normally get. Try it and see!
2008-09-03 @ 15:25
Comment from: Michael Gregory · http://www.meditate-thailand.com
Just finished a meditation course at Karuma Meditation Center in Phuket....the most insightful, peaceful experience of my life. Great food, instructions in English by a former Western monk, great people to sit and meditate with. If you are considering going for a retreat i highly recommend them - www.meditate-thailand.com
2008-09-04 @ 11:25
"Hard it is to train the mind, which goes where it likes and does what it wants. But a trained mind brings health and happiness. The wise can direct their thoughts, subtle and elusive, wherever they choose: a trained mind brings health and happiness." - the Buddha

Meditation is hard in the beginning but for every step one takes on the path there are benefits. Serving was the most fulfilling experience of my life.

Read about my Vipassana meditation experiences (of S.N. Goenka's tradition) on my blog: walkthepath.wordpress.com
2008-10-25 @ 12:25
Comment from: mel
Hi,
I'm looking to do a retreat in early December for up to 10 days. Can anyone recommend a good place to retreat (unfortunately I arrive in Bangkok on Dec 1 so will miss out on being able to go to Wat Suan Mokkh).

I'm happy to go to a Goenka centre (is any of them better than others)

Or to a retreat with good teaching but still a strict retreat.

Thanks for your help
2008-11-21 @ 10:27
Comment from: Ingvar Email
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Thanks Steve for a good commentary on the retreat. However having done 6 of those retreats and most of them in the same place Dhamma Kamala I would like to correct some errors.. Nobody is ever asked to leave these retreats. the volunteers working there for free (old students) do everything they can to get you thru the 10 days. Of course there are drop outs but in all the courses I have sat there have never been more than a few persons leaving prematurely, maybe 1 -2 %, not the 30% you are talking about. If you get problems with your back or legs you can request extra pillows and back support in most places.
the main point of this technique is persistence and keeping on doing what you do without interruption, that is how results are achieved and thats why meditators are asked to sit for long hours. Also the mandatory one hour sitting is 3 times/day, not 4 times. No one is "forced" to sit still or sit more than one hour without rest, in fact Goenka says a short rest every hour is important, however you do it, by walking around a bit or just sitting and stretching your legs. One missunderstanding is that just because some old students at the front of the room sit for very long times without moving; everyone is expected to do the same, this is not correct and one must remember these are meditators with many years of this behind them.
2008-12-29 @ 07:48
Comment from: Olya Email
Does anyone knows where and how do I find info abouT 5 day VIPASSANA on Koh samui, I can't find any info about it on the internet
Thank you
2009-02-02 @ 13:33
Comment from: Stephen Cleary Email
Hi Olya:
Neighbouring Koh Phangan is the place to go for a Vipassana meditation retreat. Google it.
2009-02-02 @ 14:17
Comment from: Olya Email
Thank you very much,
BUT, I am in Koh Phangan right now and I have been googling it for 2 days now. I know for sure theres one 5 day vipassana retreat on Koh Samui,that starts around 21 or 22 but can't find it. I can not do 10 days, because I am leaving Thainland.
So if you have any exact info please let me know
Thank you very much
2009-02-02 @ 18:32
Comment from: Josh Email
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Pretty good post, and helpful comments. I am considering a retreat here in Thailand, but want more information.

Why do people say it is so difficult? Just hard to sit for a long time? Or is it the not talking part? How exactly does that make things difficult? Is it more of a mental struggle or physical? Why is it so hard to go without mobile phone messages, reading, writing, etc. for 10 days? Do you get bored? Lonely? Am I going to want to join some cult afterward?

Why would you want to put yourself through such a difficult situation? What are all the benefits. Jane, you mentioned some, but where exactly did you go where you got this? How exactly did these benefits come about?

What can one expect during the long meditation sessions in terms of mental process? In other words what goes through your head as you gain these benefits. It doesn't seem to smart to just pick a meditation center to go to for 10 days without knowing too much about what you should be looking for and about the center itself beforehand, right?
2009-02-02 @ 23:24
Comment from: mickaelchia · http://manitree.com
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I have been to 4 retreats, all in Australia. There once you sign in, you are not allowed to leave until you finish the whole course. Wonder why it is different in Thailand.

The fear of not having dinner is much, much worse than the actual experience. Those who fear should give it a try -- it is a good way to practice non-greed.
2010-07-20 @ 22:18

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