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Comment from: Bill
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Great plan I may try it myself
2008-07-23 @ 02:42
Comment from: Nikki [big sis!]
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The itinerary looks great Richard. Better not tell teenager no. 2 that we will be getting up that early on the first day :)
2008-07-23 @ 03:32
enjoyable program! have you been to the science museum (technopolis) in klong 5, thanyaburi- rangsit? usually we bring friends (adulst & kids) there after the bangsai route. the floor on thai arts, culture and tradition is interesting, you get to see fields and regions in comfort (AC)! entrance fee is 50 baht per person.
2008-07-23 @ 09:42
Comment from: Lee A Hee
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Wot no go go bars, ping pong shows or a slip and slide at a soapy...

hardly a true reflection of the real thailand!
2008-07-23 @ 16:41
Comment from: Kelvin Choo
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May I suggest... u take them up north to Kanchanaburi...then stay overnight at one of those river raft motel...then visit the Lawa Caves before heading back to the Train Station at Thonburi.
2008-07-24 @ 14:32
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
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Thanks for your comments. They only have three full days so cannot really do an overnight trip any where. I don't think there is a need for them to go to the beaches or any national park while in Thailand as they will be going to Australia afterwards. The central region of Thailand has nothing in this department compared to Australia. So, I think we should concentrate on culture and food.
2008-07-24 @ 14:42
Comment from: Krish Big-bro-in-law Email
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Hi Richard. As ever, your blog and information is magnetic, colourful and beautifully written. For so many years, we have just read it. Now we are to be part of the story! See you on Monday. Krish
2008-07-25 @ 14:24
Comment from: Janaki, Big sis's m-in-law
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A well constructed tour for the family within the time at their disposal.I totally agree that it is important for a visitor to savour the the culture of the country he/she visiting.
2008-07-26 @ 01:36
Comment from: paul_au
Yes a good cultural trip in Thailand. I also whish your sisters family an enjoyable stay in Australia.
2008-07-27 @ 18:42
Comment from: ian whitehead
yes they will be glad to leave you and thailand with the itinerary you have got for them got for them.yes its a great itinerary but to much in three days just after they've flown in.i wish you luck.
2008-07-29 @ 15:37
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
My sister and her family are here in Thailand now. I will report back here each day to say what we did just to let you know whether the plan is possible. Like I said already, any holiday plan should be flexible and you should allow for last minute changes due to bad weather or finding something more of interest.

Our first full day was exactly as the plan above. We all decided that due to time difference, that getting up early for the floating market would work better for the first full day. We had no problem leaving the house by 6 a.m. We were on the boat by 7.30 a.m. At that time it was light and there was not a single foreigner there. After we came back it was starting to get crowded. We had breakfast there and then drove on to Nakhon Pathom to see the giant Buddhist stupa. We also bought some Thai desert there.

Like I said in the blog, we then had to make a decision between the cultural show at Rose Garden and the animal shows at Samphran Elephant Ground. We chose the latter as it was a family outing. They enjoyed the crocodile wrestling though the elephant show was the highlight. We saw these at 12.45 p.m. and 1.45 p.m. respectively. After a ride on the elephants, we were ready to head home by about 3 p.m. Tour groups will take you to the floating market, Rose Garden and Samphran and a few other stops all in one day. But I think that is too rushed and you won't appreciate everything. What we did was about perfect.

Everyone was tired and slept in the van as we drove back. Near home we stopped briefly at Tesco Lotus. It may seem strange to stop here as a tourist attraction but it is interesting to compare to your home country. And unlike markets, it is easier to choose and buy fruit and Thai food and desserts here as it is air-conditioned. We will walk around a real market later in the week when they have more energy. As jet lag was catching up on them they didn't want to go out in the evening. So we just got some "takeaway" Thai food - namely: tom yum, massaman curry, green curry and tom kha gai. We also bought fruit and Thai dessert.

I am sure everyone will get a good nights sleep tonight. The itinery for today was just about right. Like I said, don't try to do too much. In the morning we will have to make a decision as to wether to go to Grand Palace or Ayutthaya. The Grand Palace won't be a full day as this plan needs the most energy. Let's see how much sleep they get tonight.
2008-07-29 @ 21:14
Comment from: janaki
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Glad to note that the holiday got off on the right footing.I'm sure the family will enjoy what is to come in the next two days.
2008-07-29 @ 22:18
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
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We are back now after finishing Day 2. The day worked out much as we planned. We parked the van in Sanam Luang for free and then walked through the park towards the Grand Palace. We ignored the "bird woman" who tried to trick us into thinking that she wanted to give us bird food for free. I have already documented that scam. We then had to negotiate a guy that tried to tell us that the Grand Palace was closed until 2 p.m. Again I have documented this scam in several blogs. The codeword you are looking for is either "Big Buddha" or "Lucky Buddha". He said "Big Buddha" so it was confirmed that he was a con artist. Sad to say my acting ability wasn't that good and he kept asking if I worked in Thailand or spoke Thai. In the end we said thank you for his help and he let us go.

The price of the Grand Palace has recently gone up to 300 baht each. There seemed to be no child price too so the family of five and myself cost 1,800 baht. A lot of money but it is a major attraction.

From here we left the Grand Palace and walked towards Tha Chang where we planned to rent a long tailed boat. Along the way we passed a group of four foreigners who had a map out and was being helped by a Thai gentleman. Being a gentleman myself, I went to take a look. Almost straight away I heard the codeword "Big Buddha". So I asked one of the ladies whether he had told them the palace was closed until 2 p.m. She said "yes". So, I just told them he is a scam artist and to ignore his lies. I pointed to the entrance of the palace 20 metres away and said it is open as normal. We then walked on. At the intersection I looked back and I could see that the Thai guy had another group of foreigners and was pointing to something on their map. If this was their last day in Bangkok they will probably never see the Grand Palace.

As we arrived at the jetty we were approached by a number of people asking if we wanted a boat tour. Though none of them wanted to give a price. At one of the information desks we were asked how many in the party. I said "six" and they gave us a quote of 990 baht each or 5,940 baht for all of us. I told him in Thai he was joking. And he said alright I give you discount price of 1,200 baht for the boat. Again I said "no" and walked away.

I was aiming for 700 baht for the boat though I knew with increase in price of petrol we probably couldn't get that. Plus, I had seen a program on Thai tv which said that some boat owners had switched to LPG - not the one for vehicles but the cooking gas version. This is dangerous. They do this because one day of diesel is the same as 4 days of cooking gas. I went to take a look as that knowledge would affect the negotiations. But none of them had cooking gas.

I went to another information desk and said in Thai I wanted a round trip that would be non-stop for about one hour. Finishing at Wat Arun. He said 800 baht straight away and we decided to go for that. The boat trip was great. We didn't stop at the Barge Museum. The barges are nice but they have replicas of these at the Ancient City where we are going on Friday. At this museum they charge you extra to take pictures.

At Wat Arun we had to pay 20 baht for boat landing. Not sure if this is a scam but will investigate that later. I took pictures of the guy anyway. Near the pier there are cardboard cutouts of Thai dancers with a space for your face. Be careful here. Even though it looks unattended, if you take a picture someone will jump out and demand some money.

Wat Arun was great as usual and had some great views from the top. The price has gone up now from 30 baht to 50 baht each. Only the youngest got in for free and the oldest two were treated as adults. So, 250 baht for this temple.

We then caught a cross river ferry to the other side for only 3.5 baht each. Then it was a short walk in the rain to Wat Arun. Again it is 50 baht each for the Reclining Buddha. It doesn't matter if you tell them that you are a Buddhist. They just reply "you are foreigner, you pay foreigner price". It is not a lot of money but it certainly adds up during the day if you visit many temples. It will be like that in Ayutthaya as we will have 6 or so stops.

We didn't do much other than see the Reclining Buddha. It was raining still and so we decided to just head back to the van. We negotiated two tuk tuks to take us back to the van for 90 baht.

We then had a choice to go to one of the air-conditioned malls for a break and to have something to eat. But, no-one was hungry and as the traffic looked bad we all decided to just drive home. We had already seen a lot. By this time it was about 3 p.m. About right. We didn't want a full day anyway. I knew at the start this day needed more energy so best to go back and rest. We have a couple hours to rest now and then we will go out to a restaurant alongside the Gulf of Thailand.

The plan for day 3 at the moment is Ayutthaya. But as the weather is starting to turn for the worse we might make a change to something more local. They have seen my blogs and pictures about Wat Khun Samut - the temple in the sea. So, we are thinking of making a day trip there instead. Certainly very scenic and the natural surroundings over there will be of more interest to the children than Ayutthaya. But, if it suddenly rains, we would be stuck in the middle of no-where without shelter. An alternative would be Ancient City tomorrow as it is near my house. However, if it really looks like rain we might have to rethink. Maybe do something in Bangkok like the sky train and some shopping. We will make this decision in the morning once we have seen what the weather is like. It is really good to be able to be flexible at this time of year.
2008-07-30 @ 17:58
Comment from: paul_au
Where do you get the energy Richard, I'm exhausted just reading your blogs.
2008-07-30 @ 20:37
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
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We decided to change around the schedule for today and do something local. We checked the hide tide timetable for the "temple in the sea" but found it would only be surrounded by sea at 7 p.m. So, we decided to make a day out of Ancient City and the Erawan Museum (Three Headed Elephant). The original plan was to do this as a half day tour on Day 4 which is easily doable as they are only 15 minutes from my house. But we ended up staying there a good portion of the day. On the way back we stopped briefly at Wat Asokaram which has mangrove forests with lung fish and other wildlife. We also had a nice walk down to the Gulf of Thailand. We then drove on to the Erawan Museum. I think the kids enjoyed this day. Maybe more so than the originally planned trip to Ayutthaya which is mroe of interest to adults. That will now be saved for a possible return trip in the future.

We have now covered a lot of Thai food and fruit. Also a lot of Thai culture and heritage. Nong Grace was with us for the trip to Ancient City today and also for the floating market the other day. Everyone was impressed with her English. I have never seen her speak so much English. Long phrases too that she must have picked up from cartoons and reading books. She surprised me so many times. The plan now is to go and visit Nong Grace at her school tomorrow.
2008-07-31 @ 22:03
Comment from: Krish Bro in Law
A participants view: the floating market was excellent, particularly before the general tourist onslaught. The peace and quiet of the background is to be savoured.

The Grand Palace and Temple of the Emerald Buddha was unmissable - my only other comparison is the Taj Mahal,: both spiritual, beautiful and just too much to take in on the first visit. A jewel.

Canal trip on Thonburi relaxing and interesting especially after so much time on feet.

Wat Arun also, lovely, with some nice views. We were caught in the rain, but it was a pleasure.

The reclining Buddha was undeniably awesome, but nowhere did I feel that there was a view to allow its full appreciation - still, it wasn't designed as a tourist site?

Ancient city this morning was the biggest surprise - I would use this as a good day out (especially by bicycle), and also as a recce trip for visits to the 'real thing'- and the park is a superbly realised concept in its own right. It was a really rewarding and relaxing day out -and it was a pleasure to interact with Thai people, who were able to work without exerting commercial pressure.

We even managed to finish off by visiting some mangrove swamps (something I was keen on) and then Erewan museum - really recommended!

I must say that none of this would have been remotely possible without our wonderful guide - who has known when to encourage and when to hold back on the effort. I feel that we have had a good go at absorbing the sights of Bangkok in such a small time and with the challenge of doing it with three children ages 11-14. Along with the many culinary tasting sessions (the food really is the key to a country?), our family remains indebted to the master guide. We are tired, but happy.

Thanks, Richard.

Krish
2008-07-31 @ 22:06
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Hey,
I actually experienced The Grand Palace scam on my trip there a few weeks ago. I guess when they see people get dropped-off by a taxi at the front they know they are tourists and start the whole "Grand Palace is closed and will open at 2pm again" scam. As far as the codewords "Big Buddha" and "Lucky Buddha", why would they say that? Is this to warn people who are in the know that this is a scam???
2008-10-19 @ 09:17

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