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Comment from: Siam Sunshine · http://blogfor.asia
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Best of luck with trying to get your money back ;o) be sure to let us know how it turns out for you.

Siam Sunshine.
2008-07-13 @ 20:42
Comment from: Bergen
...or you can subscribe to one and read the other on-line.
2008-07-14 @ 08:25
Comment from: Jake
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I agree with you about The Nation and Daily Xpress. There hasn't much of quality the last month or more. Bangkok Post more often has good articles.

Personally I prefer to read the real newspaper and not read online. My company subscribes to both. But I usually only read the Bangkok post.
2008-07-14 @ 09:02
Comment from: B. N. Clendenin
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I share Richard Barrow's views. The Nation does seem to have declined over the past months. I have always thought The Nation was a bit pretentious, but it will be regrettable if it disappears completely. I doubt that'll happen though. It will likely morph into a combination of a chastened periodical and website. Even its website is overstuffed. There are so many graphic and flash displays that it bogs down the entire website and renders it less than a joy to use anymore. I don't even look at the website much anymore for that reason.
2008-07-14 @ 10:30
I almost joined The Nation team some months ago. Thankfully, I decided against it.
2008-07-14 @ 12:56
Comment from: Zen
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My prediciton is that they will be forced to drop Daily Xpress within a month or so. I think the advertisers are losing faith in them. They say it has a guaranteed circulation of 100,000 copies. I don't believe that as I often have difficult picking up a free copy. Some places I have been to they won't let me take a copy away with me. They say it is for customers to read while eating.

I also don't think The Nation will survive as a buiness daily. If they are stubborn and choose to remain with this format they will fold shortly after the Daily Xpress becomes extinct. However, if they are brave enough to count their loses, and don't worry about losing face, then they should revert to their old format and then most likely survive.

If this is a war of the dailies then my vote goes for Bangkok Post.
2008-07-14 @ 21:08
just found this blog. nice read. do agree about the nation and bangkok post. i am a loyal BP reader and i have them delivered friday (coz of guru) and weekends. other days i read in the office. but because of the daily xpress i changed to the nation on fridays but still keep BP on weekends. luv the crosswords! my hubby takes the sudoku.
2008-07-14 @ 21:19
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I haven't read The Nation in quite a while, but I read Bangkok Post daily. It's got everything for everybody!
2008-07-14 @ 23:06
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
Today I rang The Nation to see if I could get a refund on my subscription to their newspaper. My argument is that I didn't subscribe to a business daily but that is now what they are delivering me. Not surprisingly, their answer was a big "no". They weren't even sympathetic. I guess they are desperate for the money. So looks like I will have to put up with The Nation for the time being. Unfortunately, my subscription doesn't run out until December 2008. Will they last that long?
2008-07-15 @ 12:31
Comment from: Khun Don
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Spot on, Richard. I do not get to see a hard copy of any of the newspapers concerned but lament the demise of "The Nation" as an online NEWSpaper. "Daily Xpress" seems to lack gravitas to me, only being good for travel articles-mainly things to do in and around Bangkok.
Thankfully we still have the "Bangkok Post" to tell us what is going on-but I miss the "reality check" that "The Nation" provided, especially for the political stories-ie-the often different viewpoint.
I hope the Daily Xpress does go, and The Nation gets back to doing what it does best: being a NEWSpaper.
2008-07-15 @ 15:25
Comment from: Thailand Observer
Bring back Tha Nation as it used to be, a democratic country like Thailand needs TWO newspapers not one. The Nation Group is extremely rich, the only thing that has been making a loss is the newspaper.

The B.Post and the old Nation were equals offering news from different sector, they gave us two different perspectives. The age of fair journalism is dead in Thailand unless the B.Post has a competitor.
2008-07-16 @ 10:44
The only reason I am reading DailyXpress is because I get it free. It is nothing more than a 'news-light' lifestyle newspaper (which there is a lot already).

It has some quotes from celebs that I don't quite care or know about on the front page, it as some social gossip and news, it has some other so called 'cool stuff' coverage, it has pictures of people and events in their social pages. Not what I look for in a real Newspaper.

The only thing I look forward to is the Calvin & Hobbs comics!
2008-07-16 @ 12:26
Comment from: Jake
It is a shame that The Nation didn't offer you a refund. Like you said, you didn't really subscribe to a business newspaper. I honestly don't understand why The Nation decided there was a need to go that direction. Did they actually do any market research first? Did they even consult with their advertisers? And aren't they listed on the stock exchange? Do the shareholders know that Daily Xpress is only five days a week now and that the paper is both thin in content and substance?

Richard, I would suggest you ring The Nation again and see if they would offer you credit. You could maybe subscribe to something else instead. I think they also have international magazine in their collection.
2008-07-16 @ 13:09
Comment from: Kelvin Choo
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Hey Richard, perhaps you can save the subscription for Bangkok Post as well.
DO you know you can read the news online?
I have been keep abreast of news there via http://www.bangkokpost.com

2008-07-16 @ 15:20
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
Hi Kelvin. Personally I prefer to read the print edition. I am using the computer a lot for work and so it is nice to get away from the screen.

I thought I had some good news yesterday. The Nation rang back to say that they could offer me credit which I could use to subscribe to another of their publications. They said that they would fax me a list plus details of how much credit I would be given.

The bad news is that they just rang back again today to say that after taking away the premium I got and also the free month I don't actually have any credit! So, I am stuck now until mid-Decemebr with The Nation. That is another five months. I am already having withdrawal symptons from dropping my subscription to the Bangkok Post. Do I dare subscribe to two newspapers again? It would be just my luck that The Nation will actually pull out their thumb and produce a half decent newspaper that is worth its subscription price.
2008-07-16 @ 19:05
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Nail on the head. I used to read the Nation, but after a few years of avoiding it, I finally embraced the fact that the Post is just a better all-round paper - especially their Database section on Wednesdays. I can see the end of the Nation, but I agree with a previous poster - two papers good, one paper.. maybe not so good.
2008-07-17 @ 23:05
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
Partly in response to claims that The Nation is suffering in quality and that people are abandoning the ship, The Nation and Daily Xpress both ran large color advertisements yesterday with quotes from leading figures in Thailand that it is really a good newspaper after all!

Thanks for telling us. Obviously we are not capable of making those kinds of decisions ourselves. We all know of course that when a newspaper runs three separate ads for subscriptions in the same edition of the newspaper then it is indeed in financial difficulties. I wonder how many people like myself rang them to cancel subscriptions.

They basically have until December to pull off a miracle. That is when my subscription will end and I have to make a decision as to whether it is worth renewing. At the moment it is a big "no". Take yesterday as an example. You may remember me saying before that recently they started running the same pictures and stories in both of their papers. Yesterday, the Daily Xpress went one step further and actually printed the same photo story twice in the same edition - on page 7 and page 8 we had pictures of swimwear models posing on the wing of a plane. I suppose it is alright if they have different headlines: "No Plane Janes" and "Nothing to Declare". I guess that is what happens when you have different editors for each section. So is it true that the main editor of Daily Xpress actually quit?

Today we had an interesting story in The Nation from the newswires about how American police are successfully bringing down the number of car jacking with the help of modern technology. When the thieves steal a decoy car, the police can remotely shut down the engine and then lock all doors. Apparently video clips of these thieves are a hit on youtube. All very interesting, but I had read that story already in the Bangkok Post yesterday! Which gives me an idea. It could be interesting to do a series of blogs called “Battle of the Dailies” just to see who reports the news first and more accurately.
2008-07-18 @ 08:55
I've noticed it since many years ago that most news appear first in Bangkok Post then the next day it appears in The Nation. Looking at all points including layout, design, fonts, paper size, paper type, etc. Bangkok Post is still better than The Nation. But I am a newspaper monster, used to reading even 3-4 types in one day back home, even with the same news. I also prefer reading it in print.

2008-07-18 @ 19:51
Comment from: BUCKY
At 25 baht a piece for 20 odd pages, I always thought English newspapers in Thailand are over-priced... good thing is they make good wiping papers for my windows after...
2008-07-28 @ 18:15
Comment from: yakuza
try dailyxpress again it's improving

http://www.dailyxpress.net/more_magazine.php?type=22

by the way i think The Nation's website is more interesting than Bangkok post
2008-10-19 @ 17:21
Comment from: John
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I live in Phitsanulok Province and just tried to subscribe to The Nation for delivery by mail. They said "No, we do not delive to Phitsanulok and we will not mail it."
2008-11-22 @ 07:59

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