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Comment from: at Email
good upbringing but sadly,
a loose chick with an attitude
2007-08-28 @ 17:30
Comment from: Jason Brunt Email
Het Steve. Great post and a very good read. I don't understand the visitor's comment about a good upbringing but a loose chick with an attitude.

I wish more girls had attitudes in Thailand instead of being viewed as a minority. So she enjoyed her life and lived her life. Good on her I say.

Why can Thai men do whatever they like and not be viewed as a good upbringing but loose attitude. Drink, fall over, hope on the motorbike and endanger everyones life!

I know of a few other families who also looked down on their prospective daughter in laws. These stuck up people are nothing but snobs. Thai people and their status is a joke when it comes to them being better than others as they have money or status.

I see this behaviour with the very men I play golf with every weekend. They all believe they are better than the caddies and so forth and treat them this way.

Well, anyway. I look forward to reading part 2 of Yui's life.
2007-08-29 @ 00:05
Comment from: Bob Kratchet
Very interesting story Steve. I agree with Jason -- this is refreshing for a woman in Thailand to display so much of an assertive, independent personality. Very brave. And i"m sure those same qualities play a major role in how she doesn't have a problem being a minor wife. Look forward to hearing more about that. Thanks for this glimpse into Thai society Steve!

(BTW - There seems to be a formatting error in your blog where hyphens are coming out as question marks, both in firefox and IE here) Have a look...
2007-08-29 @ 00:31
Comment from: axel Email
I think if you talk to Thai women in Thai - like i assume Steve did - you will see that a lot of women are very open and frank about her views.

These usually do not fit at all the stereotype western man have (or like to have) about Thai women.

Bangkok women are as cosmopolitan as anywhere, and yet so different.

I always told my wife, I will sue the guy who came up with the story of nice and obidient girls ;-)

I know some girls or are going for a mia noi and even some who are going for mia jay. For both it can be a matter of choice for that moment ... while for mia jay's it usually isn't.

they start do that for some time and then they move on. in many cases it has nothing to do with being poor, starving, being a prostitute, etc ...

just some thoughts.

Cheers!
2007-08-29 @ 02:56
Comment from: anon
Mia jay?
2007-08-29 @ 14:52
Comment from: axel Email
Main Wife.
2007-08-29 @ 18:18
Comment from: Suwat Email
Main wife (common-in-law) wife in Thai is is Mia Luang.
2007-08-29 @ 23:06
Comment from: BUCKY Email
Steve,
I jus wanna know one thing.. is she as foxy as the pic? :-D~
2007-08-30 @ 11:29
Comment from: jules
just a lazy Thai woman that won't earn her own keep.
honestly, i really looked down on people liked her.
money talks and bull walks...
cheapest than a bar gir and i meant no disrespect to the bargirls
they are the lowest scum of the Thai society
for breaking up others' families.

that's my 2 salung on them.


2007-08-30 @ 17:40
Comment from: Art Malevont Email
What troll Jules! Are you just another sex-tourist who got a chip on his shoulder?
The lowest scum are the likes of you man who come to Thailand just for the sex. After you get scammed you get pissed off. Go to to the bars Jules same place you always go.

My 2 salung on you, or should i say 2 baht?
2007-08-30 @ 20:46
Comment from: Jason Brunt Email
Um, Jules. Where did you get bargirl from? It doesn't mention her being a bargirl in story at all.

It says her parents paid her way through university. To be a "Mia Noi" this doesn't mean they are bargirls.

Why blame the girls?? What about the scumbag guys that are cheating on their wives?

Did you know that most new aids cases are married women who catch it from their cheating husbands who are sleeping around with who knows who.

Jules also did you know you talk in the "past tense" You really looked down on people like her" Does this mean you have changed your opinion now?

You seem like a person who thinks you are better than others because you maybe have a little more money than they do but as a good person you wouldn't be a blip on a radar.

Good on the girls who want to be Mia Noi and enjoy the benefits that come with it. A better lifestyle and not having to worry about scraping money together to buy things.

That's my 2 cents Jules.
2007-08-31 @ 00:10
Comment from: jules
sorry to disappoint you lot....
for trolling i was not....
as i stated in my previous post, these people are simply parasitic, wanting a good life but never wanted to work for it.
my apology to Mr. Stephen Cleary
if i am messing up your blog.
to Art Malevont and Jason brunt,

my apology again, Mr.Cleary.

2007-08-31 @ 09:38
Comment from: Stephen Cleary Email
Don't worry Jules, haven't been messing up our blog at all. We always welcome analytical criticism.
I think what some of the readers will be wondering is why you are so angry at Thai mistresses and girls who work the bar. You have called them 'lowest scum' but you still have respect. Interesting. Perhaps you would care to enlighten us on where your anger comes from?

So Jules, did you ever marry your Thai girlfriend after last Songkran?
2007-08-31 @ 10:15
Comment from: lek Email
suwat should know the multiple option of mia in thai language ...
2007-08-31 @ 10:42
Comment from: Bebe Email
I don't think jules is a rich guy. By a language he used, I think he is one of thise guys i met at my apartment. They cannot rearn proper wife who have the complexity of her skin in thier color too--a guy to be spurned upon by all white women--pitiful.
2007-08-31 @ 13:42
Comment from: at Email
thumbs up jules, ur not alone!
i believe simple issan girls are better off than this type of girl anytime
2007-08-31 @ 17:06
Comment from: Jason Brunt Email
Hey Jules. I am all for people xpressing their points of views but when they seem to just come from left field with no real back up to the comments you make it's a bit hard to understand your point of view.

To Visitor. Did you know that "simple Isaan girls" are many of the girls who work in the bars frequented by Farangs as their families are poor and they have large debts.

Yes, simple Isaan girls are amazing and fantastic I agree with you 100% but can you inform me where the bad girls come from?

Is it Bangkok or where? The root of the problem again isn't the "girls" it's the cheating men taking on these little wifes or extra girlfriends.

Why are the girls to blame and not the men?
2007-08-31 @ 22:35
Comment from: jules
thanks Steve, for still allowing me to comment on your blog,cheers.
yes, to your question.....i am married to her now and in the process of legally adopting her 8 years old daughter.Thailand seems to be giving me the merry go round treament.any tips will be welcomed, Steve.if you could help in any ways,
it will be much appreciated.ta.

to answer bebe, yes you are right, i am not a rich person as a rich person goes, but i do live a comfortable life and i am very much thankful for that.
the language that i used, i still think that is english and no, i am not a racist and the colour is only skindeep so, please don't jump the gun by start profiling me.you failed miserably.

now, the main reasons that i disliked those mia nois are the havocs that they wrought to those tangible parties.no winners, all are losers.you have to see first hand what those vultures are capable of.
in fact, i knew quite a few mia nois personally and they are still my friends but i made my stand clear, that i am not supporting their endeavours.
i am not a malicious person, i just call a spade, a spade.and most of the are lazy spades, anyway.

cheers.


ps, steve,
if you have any tips regarding the adoption, could you please email me ?
or maybe we could chat on the phone....i will do the calling and bear all the costs.


thanking you in advance, jules.

2007-09-01 @ 00:37
Comment from: Impatient
Hey Steve --

Are you going to wait until the Minor Wife becomes a Major One before you write the sequel or what?!

Inquiring minds need to know!


2007-09-03 @ 21:55
Comment from: Jason Brunt Email
Hey Steve enjoyed your article in the newspaper on Bangkok buses.

Amusing and very true.
2007-09-03 @ 23:11
Comment from: star Email
*----
You made up this interveiw

you call thai people fake are critical of corrupt politicians but you worse

how dare you fabricate something is another persons country
2008-03-04 @ 15:29
Comment from: Robert
Jules

You were absolutely spot on. Thats exactly what "mia noi's" are - lazy and parasitic. Individually they may be nice people, as are several girls I know who are doing the same thing. But their behaviour is beneath contempt.

Wake up people. What is the difference between mistresses and prostitutes???!? A mia noi is usually very well kept (read PAID FOR) by her..eh....sponsor. In many ways, both direct and indirect. Thats the whole point for them. Any protestations to the contrary is just bull.

And in return for being financially looked after, she is not exactly expected to provide merely intellectual conversation!! So they provide sex and companionship in return for financial and material reward. Sounds like a hooker to me. Btw Jason, thats what was meant by a loose attitude.

But worst of all is the damage they inflict (together with the husband of course) on the wife and family of the man.

So good on her james, eh? You wish more thai girls behaved like her? Are you looking for a live in prostitute too? What about the wife and family she is helping to destroy? This is not a poor isaan girl forced into this to feed her family. This is a girl who has many options if she was prepared to get off her lazy ass. Being a mia noi is a career move for her. She is prepared to benefit herself regardless of the possible consequences to the wife and family. Nauseating.

And what the hell do you mean dont blame the girls?? Are you for real? They are EVERY BIT as much to blame as the guy. There is a little concept we grown ups call TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

No doubt you still think what she is doing is a laudable thing. I sincerely hope people like you are in the minority in society.

While I respect her honesty, thats about all I respect about her.


2008-06-15 @ 16:32
Comment from: Notsuchanidiot
*****
What a stupid comment that is from Robert (above mine). It is obvious that he didn't read part two! How can this idiot Robert call her a hooker when she never asks for money?
2008-06-19 @ 17:58
Comment from: Robert
Oh.....my.......God.......How can you be so obtuse notsuchanidiot?? Are you being serious???

Allow me to quote the relevant passage from part two since you obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about.

"You told me a while back that you have your condo and car. Now, you said too that you don't earn so much, so where did you get the money for all that, did Korn buy them for you?

No, not really. I didn't tell you before Steve, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY OWN MY OWN CAR AND CONDO IT IS ALL IN HIS NAME. HE BOUGHT THE CONDO AND LETS ME STAY THERE, SAME GOES FOR THE CAR, I suppose he just wants my life to be more convenient"

I have even put it in capitals in case you missed it a second time. I repeat, she is a KEPT WOMAN. If you think this is acceptable behaviour, to screw a married man (even if there was no material benefit, which there so obviously is for anyone with half a brain to see) then you are simply pondscum. Get a clue, gobshite.
2008-07-14 @ 14:57
Comment from: Mike Email
*****
I hate seeing the exterme left and right positions. I am a western Farang and have lived in Bangkok. These stories are rarely black and white like a lot of people want you to believe.

I know that this issue is a large and complicated one, but I would like to focus in and point out a social benefit to this practice (and it occurs throughout Asia, not just Thailand). A lot of these girls are from middle income or poorer families. A lot of them come from outlying areas and only come to Bangkok for university or work.

Being a mistress is not their end goal, but it provides them with an opportunity to be taken care of by a well off Thai man. This relationship often leads to other benefits for the woman... greater access to people who can advance her career, for example. The safety and security of living in better neighborhoods. The safety of driving your own car instead of taking public transportation late at night.

This is how I have seen it first hand. I have Thai friends who have minor wives, and they are genuinely well-educated, nice guys. I could not imagine for a moment that they mistreat their mistresses... I believe that they truly care for them.

I am sure that there are others who don't, but by the same token, how many girls (anywhere in the world) have asshole boyfriends who knock them around? Proportionately speaking, I doubt the numbers are higher for Thai mistresses than they are in the general popluation.
2009-03-03 @ 02:23

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