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Comment from: Kim
That was a really fascinating post and interview, Richard. I can't wait to get stuck into this book!
2007-07-06 @ 21:13
Comment from: Khun Don Email
Fascinating. However, I would not depend on that pardon at the age of 90, David.
Authorities do not like prisoners that escape and make them look foolish.
Look at Ronnie Biggs, the great train robber-escaped to South America, returned to the UK and gave himself up many years later when an old man, now ill with cancer, MRSA, and has had 2 heart attacks etc, yet only just this week has been moved to a prison only slightly less secure(category B & C) than the category A one he has been living in for 6 years now- evidently this request for a transfer was granted on "compassionate grounds" would you believe! Obviously sick and old Ronnie is going to be made to serve his time!
That is the British system-which is probably a little more easier and forgiving than the Thai one.
2007-07-06 @ 21:52
Comment from: Marieke Email
Excellent questions!
2007-07-06 @ 22:49
Comment from: Matt
Good stuff.
2007-07-07 @ 01:48
Comment from: Kamal Jaafar Email
Reminds me on 2 movies, Escape from Alcatraz, The Shawshank Redemption and Count of Monte Cristo. I sympathize everybody that ended up in prison. Hopes they could become a better person when they are released from the jail. Also, thanks David for sharing your story with us.

Kamal Jaafar
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
2007-07-07 @ 05:42
Comment from: Chani Email
Very interesting! I can't wait to read the book! I'll be glad to hear what David has to say tomorrow as well.


~Chani
2007-07-07 @ 06:41
Comment from: JArnold Email
Thanks for a really good interview. I look forward to more. I had seen the book review in the Bangkok Post a couple of weeks ago but it didn't sound interesting. I will definitely buy the book now.
2007-07-07 @ 08:53
Comment from: Stephen Cleary Email
Riveting stuff!

Is this book gonna be on sale in Thailand?
2007-07-07 @ 13:44
Comment from: Jay Funk Email
Wow, great interview. I really look forward to reading this book. I'm shocked at how much time McMillan has spent behind bars yet remains strong in spirit and mentality. I guess that's the key to survival no matter what. And apparently, action follow thought.

Jay,
A fellow ex-prisoner of Thailand,
Who's only half way home.
2007-07-07 @ 13:46
Comment from: Reader
Nice work Richard. Very interesting read. He certainly does seem like an intelligent, interesting and engaging fellow, which is what he'd have to be to pull off all he has in his life.

Drug smuggling in Pakistan! Man, this guy has some cajones. It would be horrible but I could see hacking it in a Thai prison, but Pakistan? No thanks. And he managed to escape there too.

Are you selling this book through your website paknam books? I will probably order a copy if so, or wait until it's on the shelves at stores here.. The interview sold it for me. Well done!
2007-07-07 @ 14:14
Comment from: strogy Email
This is great!
If just for one reason - yes he did what he did and that the way it is.
Thanks for beeing honest as much as you can.
By the way there is book which can be worth of reading too - "SHANTARAM" by Gregory David Roberts.
Thanks again
strogy
2007-07-07 @ 22:50
Comment from: Jason Email
Very interesting interview. I would've thought the Thai gov't might not want a book about escaping from their prison on the shelves in Thailand. Can't wait to read it.
2007-07-08 @ 00:21
Comment from: Joerg Email
Yes, incisive questions;very good interviewing style.
It seems sad to me that someone so clever and with so much potential has squandered so much of his life in prison. An aquaintance of mine who is a petty thief says that jail is just part of the deal. And while drug smuggling(if that was the charge) may seem glamorous or "easy money", the karma from exploiting and supporting so much suffering can not be good at all.
Thanks for a fascinating read, I look forward to the conclusion.
2007-07-08 @ 10:51
Comment from: betti Email
is everyone fascinated and interested? that's surprising, considering the high number of people out there who have been jailed, persecuted, tortured, killed, displaced without any reason. anyway. enjoy.
2007-07-08 @ 22:26
Comment from: Vern Email
Yes, I too am FASCINATED... thanks Richard for the awesome interview and great questions... I'm really looking forward to seeing the book and the rest of the interview. Vern
2007-07-09 @ 10:31
Comment from: Well done
Good job Richard. Quite an interesting look into things. I saw this at Asia Books yesterday though I have yet pick up a copy... Opted for another book long on my must-read list...

Anyway, I will.

And, yes, Betti, I think the story is indeed fascinating. What point were you making exactly? That because there are worse stories out there of more morally upright people that the quality of this story lessens in their company? That's irrelevant. A good yarn, as the Brits would say, is a good yarn.

Also, the drug sentences around the world and particularly in Asia are monstrous overkill, an example of the state grossly interfering on the choices of its people. I personally do not have much of a moral problem with what this guy did, though I'll need to read his book to see if that holds up in all of his actions.
2007-07-09 @ 12:45
Comment from: jules Email
i believed in KARMA.

so he made good his escape, ?

well done, i would say but just remember where you had been.

regards,
jules.
2007-07-09 @ 14:43
Comment from: kananga Email
Brilliant, What an interesting tale of this victim of the system.

However, more interesting would be an interview with the real victims of drug smuggling scum like this.

Elderly people beaten up for money, destroyed families, the strain on the healthcare system.
2007-07-10 @ 09:55
Comment from: betti Email
the point I am trying to make is that ok, the punishment for drug offences might be an overkill, but all Thais and farangs damn well know the potential consequences, and only have themselves to thank for for their miserable situations and all consequences. as opposed to other people all around the world, who fall innocent victim to crime, wars, violence, including the civil war in colombia related to drug production and trafficking. those people often have no choice. if I have to pick, I rather find their stories fascinating and put my sympathies with them. no matter however interesting this book could be, the guy is a scumbag, a criminal convicted multiple times who failed to learn from previous incarcerations, and would probably have deserved to stay in a cell forever.
2007-07-17 @ 21:50
Comment from: realitycheck Email
Thank you for this excellent interview. Once we go beyond the sheer drama of David's story, I was fascinated to learn about his pysche, and you drew that out of him. I confess, I know David, or at least I did many years ago. It will not surprise you to learn he has always been intelligent, good company, remarkably gentle for his line of work, defying every possible stereotype. He simply sees the world differently than most others, and has always been determined to experience everything imaginable. He has paid a high price for this, and mostly the only victim has been himself. But as you noticed, there is not a hint of self pity or even real bitterness. The Buddha of Criminals. I hope people read the book.Sadly in his home country of Australia, it could never be published.
2007-07-23 @ 20:57
Comment from: Jon Email
How come everybody caught in a Thi prison is innocent ? If you are innocent come out, return to Thailand and face the music

Oh no you can not because you are a drug smuggling scum bag who does not care who get hurt or Killed by your actions...

But then you travelling on a false passport to start with show what intention you had.

I hope if you have children somebody gets the addicted to drugs and then you might think
about your actions coward

What are you going to say to your children then !!!!!!! COWARD
2007-07-27 @ 02:53
Comment from: lena Email
I agree with the above.....
Are you going to use the money you make on the book to fund your next drug run ?

Have you thought about putting all the profits to good use like drug charities ?

come out and fave the music
2007-07-27 @ 02:59
Comment from: Sold
"I hope if you have children somebody gets the addicted to drugs and then you might think about your actions coward."

I wasn't going to buy this book, more due to the fact that I've already blown my book budget for this month, but I might now after reading comments like the one quoted here.

It never fails to amaze how vicious those on the so-called "right" side can be when spouting their venom. Yes, he has done a bad thing so let's wish drug addiction on his children -- that's the thing to do.

And as for the second guy who piped up and agreed with what the first guy had to say: You obviously haven't seen enough drug-running movies. He would not need the money from his book to fund his next drug run. People PAY HIM to run drugs. And I doubt a guy with this kind of high profile would be employable in that regard again.

Save us all from the moral crusaders.
2007-07-27 @ 13:29
Comment from: Lak Email
It is very good and keep me read all in one. Good job, Richard!
2007-08-03 @ 11:20
Comment from: Neil Email
Why is everyone celebrating a drug smuggler's escape from jail? Do you think he's a decent chap who's been treated unfairly? Anything to rid the planet of this low life should be applauded. I guess most of the posts here are by teenagers thinking they're kicking against the system. Grow up!
2007-09-19 @ 12:04
Comment from: Jake Email
hey David, do you know my father Mitch? dont be shy mate. i hear we are all good mates.

contact me at fantasii83@hotmail.com
i'd love a chat.
2007-10-01 @ 16:44
Comment from: Kevin Email
That was brilliant insightful interview.

I would like to see your interviewquestions for George W Bush.
2007-11-16 @ 03:04
Comment from: Kevin Email
As to the question of justice it seems that this fellow is more successful at being a prisoner than he is at drug smuggling or escaping. With drug smugglers like him around who needs the DEA?

There is the question of why many find it fascinating rather than horrifying that a "serious criminal" is at large. Certainly were it murder or pedophilia we'd have no sympathy or admiration for this guy....and he'd be on his way back to Thailand.

Maybe the answer is that a lot of people think that taking drugs is something of a personal choice, and that being said, many laws are unduly harsh.
In fact its the death penalty of Thailand that keeps him at home because in the EU they don't execute people.....at all.

Three years in a Thai prison
(+his continuing status:
widely known escaped criminal)
is pretty rough punishment. And more than a decade in other prisons?!

I hope he sells a lot of books and finds a new profession. Apparently nobody's gotten much out of his life so far ...least of all him.
2007-11-16 @ 04:49
Comment from: jenson zack Email
actually it's good to know prison life from the outside by reading this book,particularly Bangkok Hilton.

Morality aside,it's a good read if you are an aspiring adventurer.Doesn't makes much difference if the author writes about Mother Theresa or George Bush,for that matter.
2007-11-30 @ 18:45
Comment from: kris Email
The book was an excellent read. Put aside whatever the author was guilty or not guilty of and you can learn the message that I think it sends.

The human spirit and will power to change ones fate can never be underestimated!

And to the author, best of luck mate...fortune surely smiles on you ;-)
2007-12-26 @ 23:26
Comment from: sophia Email
I would just like to say that I am David's daughter, and personally I think your vicious words about a man none of you know, who has bared his soul into a fantastic book is disgusting!!! Calling him a coward and wishing addiction upon me and my sister! I think you should have a look at your selves and think about the bitterness you have inside you before you place your opinions on a man that has held his hands up and admitted to the world what he did. David has paid for his crimes and I feel is now a stronger and better person. Have any of you been in a Thai prison been subjected to torturing both mentally and physically... he is not scum, people like to make accusations about others to hide their inner problems! I think that allot of you criticising his book should read it first and maybe speak to him before you throw childish petty remarks at him! my sister and I are most probably allot younger than the people who have left negative feed back and neither of us would wish addiction upon someone's family whom we don't know!
2008-01-15 @ 23:07
Comment from: Beano
Sophia,

Don't sweat these posters. I think far more people were fascinated by your dad's tale, and impressed by Richard's interview with him, they just weren't as full of venom that they had to spout as the so-called "moral crusaders" on here.

It's an amazing thing, but it seems that the level of viciousness among people tends to increase when they think they are espousing a moral cause. They condemn drug dealing in a spiritual huff, but then wish drug addiction upon you and your sister. If good thoughts drove them, they wouldn't do that.

Haven't had a chance to read your dad's book, but he sounds like a very interesting fellow indeed, and certainly one artful escape artist with fascinating stories to tell. I'd sooner have a beer with him than with any of the Charlie Churches who wrote in wishing you and your sister drug addiction.

Good luck to you.
2008-01-17 @ 18:09
Comment from: -D'tag
Word..
2008-03-23 @ 23:41
Comment from: Escape Reader
*****
Hi Richard,

Just finished reading this and will write more on it later, but quick question, and it's actually one you asked the author in your interview, but you didn't get a clear answer for it. How well could he read/write Thai? In the book, he makes it seems as if he is at least close to being fully fluent in Thai.

While being interviewed by police, he's able to fully understand both what is being said in Thai and how it is being mistranslated by the interpreter, he listens in on the conversations of guards, and when another foreign prisoner is confused about what a document means, he reads it and tells him that he's due for a hearing at some court in Bangkok.

All of the above would suggest a strong proficiency in Thai, however we're told at the start of the book that he hadn't been in the country for some 20-odd years, and that prior to this he made temporary stops on his drug runs.

Great interview by the way. Another similar profile ran in a major UK newspaper and came up FAR short of reaching the depth that this one did.
2008-05-05 @ 15:56
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
That is a good question which I don't think he answered satisfactorily. Reading the book I got the impression he was fairly fluent - which is why I asked him that question. Although he said all events were true, I think a certain amount of poetic license was used. It is one thing being able to listen to a conversation in Thai, but a bit harder to actually take part because of the tones. In addition, a lot of people - in particular tourists passing through - never learn how to read. Personally speaking, when I am in court, I have a hard time reading the legal documents because of the level of Thai they use. I have to ask someone else to help out.

We had a letter from someone who identified herself as a girlfriend of the "one who was left behind". She said David wasn't always truthful and there is more to this story than he revealed. More on this later.
2008-05-05 @ 20:27
Comment from: Escape Reader
Thanks for the quick reply Richard. I'm guessing, and will go on to assume unless the author wants to correct me, that he was not fluent in Thai, but rather new some of the more frequently used words. He remarks on the language skills of another foreign prisoner by saying that he hadn't bothered to pick up the common words, so it would seem that Mcmillan and his friends used very basic Thai to communicate the essentials when need be, and then the rest through "Jet", their cell-servant or whatever the term would be.

I noticed a comment on the second blog from someone who disputes that "Sten" ended up happy and healthy back in Sweden. Is that the letter you're referring to? Look forward to hearing more on the story.

The book makes it seem as if "Sten" chose to stay behind because he witnessed the brutal after-effects of a beating doled out to the two Israelis who tried to Escape, and nominally to protect Jet from being murdered at the hands of the guards. It would be quite an interesting turn if McMillan purposefully left him high and dry as I think that poster was trying to allege.

Look forward to reading follow-ups!
2008-05-05 @ 23:02
Comment from: moh
reminded me of jacques mesrine, no jail could retain him a long time
2008-06-05 @ 06:21
I have only 1 question. why do you keep on landing your self in prison. Is it a thrill?
Kindly let me give you the 8 precepts as that is the best i can do for you.

General Rules for Meditation

1. Refrain from taking life.
2. Refrain from stealing or taking what is not given.
3. Refrain from any sexual behavior.
4. Refrain from false speech: lying, gossiping, and swearing.
5. Refrain from using alcohol and drugs.
6. Refrain from eating after noon and before dawn.
7. Refrain from all types of entertainment including dancing, singing, and music, and to refrain from
beautification and adornments.
8. Refrain from high and luxurious seats and beds
2008-08-07 @ 16:07
Comment from: James Baker Email · http://www.escape-now.net
Response from the runner:

1. Refrain from talking rife. [Agree]
2. Refrain from stealing or taking what is not given.
[Let’s be real: the old commandment is valid as the social contract, but almost nothing is given – it is abandoned or traded]
3. Refrain from any sexual behaviour.
[Sorry to hear that yet if you’re the last generation on Earth, what do we lose?]
4. Refrain from false speech: lying, gossiping, and swearing.
[I swear I will]
5. Refrain from using alcohol and drugs.
[Don’t use – devour]
6. Refrain from eating after noon and before dawn.
[Ah, too hungry for sex and drugs]
7. Refrain from all types of entertainment including dancing, singing, and music, and to refrain from beautification and adornments.
[My dear, without the above, we’d never have any imagination – imagination that saved us through 12 ice ages]
8. Refrain from high and luxurious seats and…. [Oh, come now! High seats? Whatever is baby to do?]
2008-08-11 @ 00:21
Comment from: David McMillan Email · http://www.escape-now.net
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I’ve kept out of these postings for some time – when writers do, they often get defensive – but I’ll come in now to say that I have had as much trouble as anyone locating ‘those left behind’. Sten’s only friend I know of in Sweden can’t contact him (family have been cut off), and just recently I’ve heard from the USA regarding Kelvin. Kelvin was the American from Hawaii who woke with surprise that night to find Sten and I hacking away at the cell bars.
After returning to the US, Kelvin was released almost immediately under the special assessment terms they get. Unfortunately, life has been tough and he is against the wall in Florida.
This info brought to me by Andy Botts, a guy released just a month before I was arrested. Andy served time in the Bangkok Hilton for a shave-cream can of dope given to him at the airport. I’ll try to find a photo of that.
If I can’t load it here I’ll put it up on the escapedavidmcmillan blogspot where I’ve thrown up links to my favourite abuse directed at me.
Andy’s situation and mine were remarkably similar; more so after reading what he says of the time. His book, called Nightmare in Bangkok was published in Hawaii and not spread much further yet. I understand my old publisher Monsoon, is to publish in Thailand soon.
To the question on language: like most travellers, I picked up taxi-driver standard Thai (and once Italian, more easily French, etc) and in the book, where I did not quite take in what was said around me, I would ask someone there. In telling of it, I would not always write: ‘I asked a nearby observer what the guard meant by that word, or phrase.’ A slightly minor point, I’d think. Any more?
2008-08-14 @ 18:38
Comment from: Tony (UK) Email
*****
My Thai wife is in prison on the word of a cross dressing, self confessed drug abuser and failed blackmailer. This lady boy came with others to dance at my wifes tiny resort in N.E Thailand. The lady boy was an ugly example of his kind, which may have been a reason to blackmail my wife. she is now in Udon Thani Prison. In mid November I will either be joining her or we will be proven innocent, which we are. The lady boy said we had paid him thousands of Baht to have sex with our guests, mainly Euro couples. I have photos of him dancing and making a comedy act, but nobody will ever find a photo of him having sex here. Is this a fine upstanding Thai person giving evidence or some failed blackmailer? why would he go to court and say these things? he was cautioned by the judge (On record) for admitting with a nod of t head that he was on drugs as he spoke against my wife. He also admitted that he had failed to blackmail her for 50 thousand Baht. If my wife was guilty...why did she not give him the money that he demanded for him to leave her alone? she has been beaten, starved and because her hair is worth 19 thousand Baht, they are thretening to shave her head. They only do this to girls with long hair. I'm from Oxford UK, I have been awarded certificates of merit by the monks of two temples (wats)I worked free of charge for a year in the village school and we fed the poor throughout this region and were awarded certifictes of Merrit for giving to limb-less people. We have been careful not to break a Thai law. Our then web site clearly stated that my wifes resort was an escape from the prostitution of the rest of Thailand. "There are no prostitutes here and if that's hat you want do not come here or to Udon Thani." The judge never looked at the Thai translation or the taoes of others trying to get esy money from my wife. it's all on record. The locl police have a record of a woman trying to get easy money. Most o away and give up, but this one Lady boy and his mother wanted to hurt Ning if they could not get her money. welcome to the land of tears. thaiparadiseresort@yahoo.com for the rest of the story and my three books. Yet to be published. I am alone, no idea what to do. I have a 4 year old daughter, she has a UK pasport and I have my old one with cut off corner. Please advise us. I cnnot hlp my poor wife if Thailand's corrupt system puts me into prison. They say I'm to be charged as a co-owner of the resort, but that is not true, I have never owned any thing but my clothes here in Thiland. 5 years to learn just what corruption is about, from the prime minister Thaxin and his family, right down to the most humble oficial in the tiniest village, which is what started this case. The village headman wanted money from my wife....easy money. anyone who has lived here will tell you that this type of corruption is quite normal. So f I can see it after only 5 years...Why did the judge not see? because it's fun to catch a European and hurt him. They have tortured my wife and taken al of my money and passport...What is left for them, but sport. Tony in tears.
2008-10-06 @ 19:19
Comment from: David McMillan · http://www.escape-now.net
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Tony - that is an email addres you gave for your story have you a website?
Much sadness.
2008-10-13 @ 08:28
Comment from: Greg Provan
*****
I have just finished Escape and I am also recently back from a holiday in Thailand. I found the book to be unique in many respects and to be a very insightful and thought provoking read.

My worst nightmare may well be incarceration in a foriegn jail, ergo I take not of Mr Mcmillan's attempt to deal with his plight on a zen level. Very interesting.

Your lifestyle is of course far from the norm, and I am sure would be fascinating to discuss over several ruminative pots of ale.

Pay no heed to the Do-Gooders who revile you because of your drug smuggling antics. I fear these people are truly lost and gripped in a bitter quagmire of zeal and impotent fury.

We've all done things. Some some will agree with some others will not. I've an open mind. Ifnact, I would begin to try to detail my loathing of people that would hound you in such a way, but I fear it would serve only to allow them to infuriate me too.

Best reagards..

Also, Tony, I wish you all the best with your situation. I wish I could offer some sound advice but I'm afriad I cannot. I will say, though, perhaps you should take great care in this situation as these courts may long to see you, too, face the corridors of Klong Prem.

Greg (Scotland)

2009-07-25 @ 03:15
Comment from: B.Schneider Email
*****
I had to leave Thailand without passport which was taken by thai police. They wanted about 20000Dollars from me and so I left the country on my way.this was in1996 . iwould like to go again back to thailand but I am very afraid. Ben
2009-08-12 @ 23:07
Comment from: HoJu
*****
Hi Guys,

Have just Have just finished reading the book (obviously has since been published in AU) – great read! I have become somewhat fascinated with the story (have read the last chapter over and over), I think because it seems so surreal if you put yourself in that same situation; it’s not over-dramatised for effect, like a movie would be – this actually happened!

Great questionnaire too! Worth the read!

I immediately came online to find out more! Found some other very interesting pieces on David’s history (plot to helicopter out of Melbourne’s Pentridge prison) and also this intriguing insight video on ‘Danny Dyer's Deadliest Men’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sIobskYc7c

In the video, there is a drawing of the ladder and the plank used to escape from the cell (not sure where these are from, shown in part 4) but I am curious as to weather anyone knows of any photo’s or Illustrations of the tools David used to escape (the ladder, the ‘gun’ etc)? Or in fact, any photos of the insides of Klong Prem – certainly would bring a whole new level to your understanding of the story! I guess these would be hard to find, since the Thai’s would probably be reluctant to show anything that displays what may be conceived as a ‘weakness’ in their prisons.
Which brings me to further queries (apologies in advanced if I have somehow missed these in the book):
- How we’re the ladders strong enough to support someone’s full weight, I assume they were constructed pretty quickly on the night. I am especially curious with strength when taping the two 5m ladders together to climb the final wall, and using the ladder to climb the internal moat.
- How does one sneak about with 2 x 5metre ladders in a prison! And for that matter someone not noticing a man scaling a 9m wall? It sounded like by the time David climbed the final wall the sun was breaking and there were ‘local shop residents’ on the other side’
- Why was the electric barb wire current so weak that someone could simply on and over it?
- How exactly was/were the table(s) created to reach the cell bars

Thanks, once again amazing story, and look forward to any responses!
2009-12-15 @ 20:57

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