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sorry, i have been buddhist for more than 30 years now
pawana is frowned upon by the thai establishment
going back to when the dhammayut reformation was introduced the concept of "court buddhism" is the only accepted form of buddhism that central thais accept and "por dii" is not accepted nor are the brahma viharas
13/03/06 @ 14:10
Comment from: Bill Grimson · http://www.isanvillage.com
As a Farang, trying to come to grips with Buddhist practice in Thailand over the years has been quite a trip. The seemingly mercenary side of merit making together with some of the sloth and corruption confronted at times in the Sangha can be very disheartening.

And yet at the same time I am still an optimist. I still firmly believe that the special nature of Thai culture such as inclusiveness, tolerance etc can be sheeted back to the Buddhist undercoat of Thai society. Thais are and probably will always be an intuitive lot and probably won’t waste much time navel gazing this issue.

At the end of the day it comes down to individuals both in the laity and the Sangha to show some leadership on these issues. Even though these people often appear to be in a minority, it is always heartening for example to see a member of the Laity living life simply with equanimity or a village Monk teaching vipassana meditation and the dharma. People like these can be a bit hard to find at times, but they are definitely there and when you do – that’s a spiritual journey in itself

Bill
13/03/06 @ 16:58
Comment from: dhannydaeng Email
I think is happening in all religions, the basics teaching are forgotten, the mundane and human side of them are much more apparent.
Buddhism unfortunately is no different... but if we stick to its philosophy and teachings we can not do wrong. Very interesting blog. Good reading
13/03/06 @ 17:48
I couldn't agree more. On the other hand, it's easy to be surprised that Thai Buddhists could be so material. Thai Buddhism isn't about just the Buddha pholosophy, as many religions have blend their faith to the locals. I can see how you are upset about it. More of the question, instead of frustration, how do live with the ignorance.
13/03/06 @ 20:22
I go with what Bill Grimson says. Thats how I am - a mix of everything which attached me to it. Buddhism, Hinduism, Jesus as an individual and spiritual people of various kinds. Sometimes, even if 'irrational' I adopt things which I 'want' to beleive in - even if I cannot prove their value to others. At the same time I also accept Buddhas clear cut teachings. But I never see idols as stone - I see them as symbols manifesting various aspects of life and spirituality.

In desperate situations, I may also give a lot of importance to a piece of stone, but in my mind I feel that all the love I shower to it must lead to some return somehow from some quarter? Its more of the love I shower and actually less if that stone really is the one or not.

But then you ask me if the stone can beat my mind and meditation, I will think ' guess not'. But then my heart is up-full please.

I know what Buddha preaches, but I am also sure he will not mind if I go through my phases in evolution?

But then I am not a born-Buddhist. But just sharing my view point on how I see things...
13/03/06 @ 22:22
I would be offended if you think that all Thais just use buddhism as a means of materialism. I'm a little upset that you seem to be judging all Thais as not truly being buddhist. Just like any western country with christianity there are degrees of believe and worship. In the US a lot of people celebrate the holidays or even go to church on sundays without truly living a christian livestyle or even understanding christianity. It's a similar concept if you switch christianity with buddhism and US with thailand. I think religion especially buddhism is a matter for individuals. Giving or making merit IS a part of buddhism. Is it all? NO. Do people understand that? SOme do, some don't. Doesn't make it/them bad. They just haven't reached that level yet. I also thinks giving/merit making is what makes Thais so charming and gracious. We learn early on that giving is rewarding and a good thing.

14/03/06 @ 03:21
Comment from: Stephen Cleary Email
I'd like to comment on Aphrael's comment.

If we go back to what the author said in his blog when he mentions 'many Thais'. Being fair to the author, he didn't mention 'all' Thais. It would be unfair to jump to any conclusions that the author is judging all Thais to be not truly Buddhist.

The author didnt mention anything about the modern state of Christianity v Materialism.

But absolutely, i agree with Aphrael that giving/making merit is one thing which makes Thais just so......charming!

14/03/06 @ 12:53
Hi. Thanks for all the interesting comments and thoughts and thanks to whoever added the picture. That is great. Some useful ideas. I too do see many of the Buddha statues as beautiful and they do represent feelings and thoughts, so they are useful in that manner. When I bow to them I am recognising the wonderful deeds and teachings of Buddha and the excellent work of the monks and other members of the Buddhist community - so I think this is good. Yes, it is true that giving is one of the beautiful things about Thailand and Thai people. And no, I am not suggesting all Thais are evil devil worshippers who know nothing. Ha ha, you should see what I write if I write about Christianity in the West. I do recognize that different people are at different stages and this is normal and healthy. And I do have a healthy respect and indeed love of Thai culture and beliefs - in fact that is why I take the time to write the blog.

My Laotian Buddhist monk friends suggest that if people come to the temple that is good. Even if they only come for merit making or a ritual. It is good that they come and perhaps one day when the time is right they will want to learn more about Buddha's teachings or meditation.

They are very patient and wise. Perhaps that is why they are monks and I am not.
14/03/06 @ 13:58
I hope Aphrael writes back. I am unhappy that I made him offended and upset. I was not suggesting that all Thai people are not truly Buddhist.

:(

Take care
14/03/06 @ 14:23
For the whole story on how Thai Buddhism got to be the way it is today, see Kamala Tiyavanich's wonderful books "Forest Recollections" and "The Buddha in the Jungle." The centralization of Buddhism and the emphasis on book learning (as opposed to meditation and enlightenment) was a royal and government initiative aimed at presenting Siam as a modern state with a "rational" religion to the colonial powers threatening it.

People of any religion will always take what they want from the religion (look, for example, at the way Pure Land is practised in Asia and Japan). Making merit for a better rebirth obviously satisfies a lot of Thais. But for the core teachings, look no further than Ajahn Chah and the Forest Tradition, or Buddhadasa.
18/03/06 @ 11:33
Thanks for that. I will look into Ajarn Chah more as I know little about him.

For another thought on Buddhism I would like to quote His Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama:
"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness...."
19/03/06 @ 23:04
Be procative. Encourage everyone to meditate. It's our only hope in a world torn apart by beliefs. (See my discussion with Dr. Michael W. Clark on www.earthpages.org.)
20/03/06 @ 06:34
Comment from: brandi
im 11 wats so good about budhism i dnt no watz dat gd about it but u should b proud cuz ur the most peaceful religion.speakin from a christian jesus rulez
17/10/06 @ 23:51
Comment from: brandi
im 11 wats so good about budhism i dnt no watz dat gd about it but u should b proud cuz ur the most peaceful religion.speakin from a christian jesus rulez
17/10/06 @ 23:57
Comment from: E. Raymond Rock Email
Not so skillful to worry about other's practice. If others ask for help, sure, but otherwise best to quietly do our own training. We alone will face our own destiny. A good practice is the best example to others.
14/01/07 @ 08:59
Comment from: Frank G Anderson Email
26 July 2007
I am working on a book, begun after some sad forest temple experiences here in Korat from October 2004 to the present. See Watpa Salawan link on our website www.thekoratpost.com
I am seeking some commentary on the gap or overlap between civil law and the Buddhist Order. Specifically, are they under the law or above it? Are they subject to the same ethical inquiry from laypersons as other institutions, etc.?
Thanks to all.
FGA
26/07/07 @ 14:50
Comment from: Buddhism Facts · http://buddhismfacts.net
Buddhist scholars have produced a prodigious quantity of intellectual theories, philosophies and world view concepts... Buddhist philosophy and Reality in Buddhism...Some schools of Buddhism discourage doctrinal study, some regard it as essential, but most regard it as having a place, at least for some people at some stages.
10/09/09 @ 13:20

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