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How amazing ! I would have thought being the "new boy" Phra Nattawud would have been kept extremely busy from dawn to dusk.
I also had the idea that monks were not meant to touch money - temple boy job.
You live and you learn !!
Thanks, Richard, for another stimulating read.
2005-05-08 @ 23:26
Comment from: Mike
slepping, watching tele, got money?
am i a monk
2005-05-09 @ 13:18
Good blog, eye opening but not altogether surprising. This is Thailand, after all!
2005-05-09 @ 23:08
Comment from: SamSingha
Richard,

Things have changed a lot and many of the temples have become less and less strict. Monks are becoming more and more indistinguishable from us laymen.

A lot of things that Phra Nattawud described sounded to me like he is in one of the places that have forgotten or strayed away from the original teachings of the Buddha.

Around the time of King Rama IV or V (I don't know for sure), things was going bad and monks were straying from the original ideas, the king ordered a new order of monk to be formed called the Tummayuth order (while the older one is called Mahanikai order).

The goal of the new order is to go back to the old way and be very strict. No such thing such as monks accepting money (he can but must have someone keep for him), or watching TV (or any entertainments) or going shopping at MBK.

Their lives would be much harder than what Phra Nattawud described.

Normally, you would be able to tell the different between the two orders by the color of their ropes. The Tummayuth which is more strict will often wear the darker ropes while the Mahanikai will wear the bright orange that you often see in Bangkok.

Alas, you cannot say who is who for sure these days since it seems that you can no longer tell by the color of their ropes now !!!

Becoming a monk isn't a career like you mentioned. Rather, it is a way to let go of the material world. Unless you're doing as your duty as many normal Thai men do.

If you're a true buddhist or someone who has studdied buddhism you'll realize that it certainly is not good to become a monk that does not follow the teaching of the 227 precepts. It is believe that this is a great sin.

It is one thing if you are a layman and break the rule but if you are a monk, your duty is much greater and to break the rules, you would bring to yourself greater punishments when you pass to your next life.

So, if you want to watch tv, spend money, go shopping, do drugs, it's probably better not to do it while you're a monk.

-S.C.-


2005-05-10 @ 00:17
Wow, what an eye-opener firsthand account. I don't think I'll look at all monks quite the same as I did before.

There is also a most interesting chapter ("The Novice") about a temple boy in Pira Sudham's book "People of Isarn". Tactfully written, but equally eye-opening. I use this book in my master's degree program classes, and most of my Thai students concur with the author's observations. By the way, you can obtain Sudham's books at http://www.pirasudham.com/books.shtml ) A shameless plug for a very good Nobel-nominated Thai author from northeast Thailand who, surprisingly, writes only in English.
2005-05-11 @ 14:04
Comment from: Dan
hi Richard:

I agree with all the people commented above me. its odd and in my opinion disgusting how many of the monks act. Buddhism is a religion going strong for thousands of years and it just seems many of the monks and temples nowadays are straying from the original teachings. i found it odd that phra was allowed to watch tv and take naps throughout the day. i found it even more disturbing that monks were allowed to keep the money they earned ( i think all the money monks make should go to the temple for upkeep or charity: that being said, temples should pay for the monks living expenses). from what i read, it seems many of the monks have chosen this life style as the easy way out, with very little thought of what the religion is actually meant to teach.
2005-07-16 @ 04:57
Comment from: Dhammasaavaka
Those monks who do such things should be stripped of their monk hood, as they are not even Buddhists.

Making a mistake in your precepts is fine, but these are not people backsliding. All monks must follow the precepts.

These things I read about some of the beliefs incorporated in Thai Buddhism are disheartening.
Lucky number, days, astrology. These ahve no place in Buddhism. The Buddha did not believe in luck, or any of that hocus pocus.

What Tipitaka are they reading? They are a shame not only to the Theravada school, but to all the Buddhism schools of thought.

No offense but they are turning Theravada into more of a Mahayana or Vajrayana tradition.

It is time they get back to basics. If they do not agree with the basics of Buddhism, they should not be Buddhists. Let them practice voodoo or some other type of new age junk.

Robert Mestre (Dhammasaavaka)
Author:
The Buddhism Primer - An Introduction to Buddhism
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1411663349/qid=1134863015/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-0058998-7970462?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
2005-12-18 @ 07:37
Comment from: Bill Callaway · http://www.bangkoktraderco.com
I have been to Thailand many times and to many temples, and have never seen monks acting as Phra Nattawud has. I have many Thai abbots as friends and would never let their monks act like that. And they don't keep what ever money they receive from the lay people. It goes into a bank account which pays the electricity and other necessities. I don't see where the name of the Temple is mentioned. Probably a good thing.
2006-05-02 @ 09:07
Comment from: Richard Rees Email
*****
I was a Monk at Wat Nong Wang in Khon Kaen. It was so different. We were very busy all day long, there was no time for T.V., and that was a good thing. All orders are different and Monks can make it the best, or just do not waste your time....and everyones time around you.
Thank You, Ajon Khanti Palo Dama. Please reply. Khanti@att.net
2009-10-20 @ 03:09

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