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Comment from: Selba Email
I guess the above advice is quite true... I should know about this last year when I met a Thai guy and had a date. It was a chaos... I blew it up... :(
Maybe next time (hopefully there will be) when I have a date again with a Thai guy, I must memorize all the Do's and Don'ts....
2005-03-04 @ 15:14
Comment from: SiamJai Email
Whoa... those criteria are pretty similar to the ones I learnt from my (Thai) female friends who have boyfriends here.

I guess times haven't changed much since Sunthorn Phu wrote "How to be a good wife". What a joke! No wonder there are so few Farang women who want to put up with all that.

Indirectly, it's also the cause of my moderate dislike towards some Thai guys. Call it cultural insensitivity if you like, but I just don't feel comfortable with people who demand more of their loved ones than what they themselves are capable of giving.
2005-03-04 @ 17:03
Comment from: Laurel N.
Well, there goes the thought that I can be happy by marrying a guy who's hot and looks like me.
What a bummer.
2005-03-05 @ 13:31
Comment from: Ben
I find that photograph of two ugliest (Thai?) homo sapiens extremely inappropriate to be quoted as "Thai men". Certainly they are by far millions of better looking Thais than "those" two and not all Do's and Don'ts you mentioned implied to all Thai men.

Anyway....what a laugh! You crack me up man!
2005-03-05 @ 18:41
Comment from: Richard Barrow Email · http://www.richardbarrow.com
So, which ones do you disagree with Ben? And what would you add?
2005-03-05 @ 21:38
Comment from: Craig
I'm interested in hearing the Do's and Don'ts as they relate to the "Thai Ladies"
VS Farang guys. I'd like to see if others views are consistancewith my experiences( within the general social Thai community...), which I have very high respect and love the cultury very much..... I'm hopeful to meet the one Thai lady with the highest esteem...!!!!



2005-03-06 @ 01:04
Comment from: Napoleon · http://Non
Hi Steve,
Thank you for all your DO's and DONT's blogs. Sure are interesting to read 'cause it helps us learn more about Thai culture and way of life.


Napo
2005-03-06 @ 01:35
I'd have to write a ten page long essay if I wanted to argue with your Do's and Don'ts. So I'm just gonna sum it up. I believed in today's society where Thailand is pretty much modernized (by the affect of globalization), most people here are civilized. Much of your Do's and Don'ts seemed to have come from a rather preservative groups of people. There are only two rules which lead to a stealth relationship and it really does work. First you need to understand each other and secondly you need to give each other some space. There is absolutely no need for the farang lady to shut her mind within (as you said DOn't get to open-minded) as if problem arises they must be known or else things will get worse. Etc. etc. It's just my opinion anyway
2005-03-06 @ 11:00
I kind of agree with Ben actually. These Do's and Don'ts do seem pretty similar to what Suthorn Phu wrote and might be accurate from a traditional perspective, but (at least in Bangkok) there are many couples very modern-minded and not like this.
2005-03-06 @ 14:07
Comment from: Angie
Are you sure not all Thai guys cheat on their gfs??? i personally do not think so. My ex, from Thailand, oh boy! he cheated me. I was honest with him, but he was a great liar -the greatest liar on earth! He already had a gf from Taiwan for 9 years and he loves her very much, but how could he still find another gf?(everything was going smoothly between then) He was in Australia before that, his gf of 9 yrs was in Taiwan, and I was in Australia too.
How do you all explain that???
2005-03-06 @ 16:34
Comment from: Stephen Cleary Email
Thanks all for your replies, much appreciated.

Im sure that everyone on reading the advice i have i have posted in every one of my dos&anddonts, will, on have finished reading thought to themselves "But!" etc..

I do very realize that a Thai guy from a well educated/financial family in Bangkok has as much (on paper) in common with a fisherman family from Satun as he does with with a Cuban living in Florida.

We all, as a people or race however, have a root, and thus a conditioning. It can be argued therefore as being born in Thailand, one is affected by his society's traditions/cultures and beliefs etc.. just as anyone from wherever they may be from. That fact can not be escaped from forthwith.

My dos and donts/thai guys have been compiled from a wide range of thai society (My 10 years of experience here, my 3 years of Thai studies and just as an example, the experiences of a Thai lottery seller, a businessman, a teacher, a com shop owner, a Thai graduate from the US a samlor driver and a lawyer).

Interested to note that the only persons to have come out with any kind of argumentation of any of my 'dos&donts/thailand', have been Farang and not Thai!

Hi Angie(another Farang): So, thats all you have to say about every Thai guy? or are you being rather stereotypical?








2005-03-06 @ 16:47
Comment from: Angie
I do not think i'm being rather stereotypical. I've heard too many stories about Thai guys from my frens who have experienced it themselves (including me). Probably some of u all will think tht's not true, but well, whteva farang or not, tht's my true opinion.
2005-03-06 @ 17:14
Comment from: Poo
I see Mr.steve blogs, he understand and know thai guy good so well and I like funny photo too.I agree with him that not every thai guy playaround,I see many farang playaround too. Yes,I think it's funny that farang want to argue with him .I'm fan of SteveSuphan. =^_^=
2005-03-06 @ 20:13
Comment from: Angie
Well, guess I'll just shut up and not comment on anything. I'll leave it to the expert himself, Mr SteveSuphan.He probably has more experience in all these himself, since he's been residing in Thailand for 10 years or more.
I hope he proves me wrong about Thai guys. Maybe there are some good ones out there, but I haven't met them yet.
2005-03-06 @ 20:29
Comment from: Mike
FWIW, I think Ben posting above is both Thai and male, the only one as far as I can see.

As for me I'm not arguing with the points made, I think many are good and do apply. It's just some (e.g "don't smoke", "don't ever argue", "don't go out at night") are traditional attitudes, and apply much more elsewhere in the country than to young, relatively well-educated and modern-thinking guys in Bangkok. Not that everyone is like that in Bangkok, far from it, just I think it's much harder to generalise in Bangkok as the "old fashioned" attitudes are less prevalent.
2005-03-07 @ 01:18
Comment from: Mike
BTW, has anyone got a copy of the Suthorn Phu "how to be a good wife" rules ? I used to but can't find the book they were in now. These rules were things like "Make sure to 'wai' at your husbands feet every night before sleeping, and wait for him to fall asleep first before you sleep" ! My ex-gf found it unbelievable people actually used to do those things, I wonder if it was ever really like that in reality...
2005-03-07 @ 01:25
Comment from: Sripan
Hi Mike,

I think it may be true because Soonthorn Phu wrote long time ago. Elderly wemen I met when I was young also said about that practice when they were young. I think Thai wemen today can't wait until her husbands fall asleep first becasue they may get back home after 3am :)
2005-03-07 @ 13:20
just stumbled across the webpage. Interesting. Well, any guy with a mentality like that would not be a guy for me.
2005-03-08 @ 06:01
Comment from: ken
What did you mean by the names 'Ning', 'Nong' and 'Nat'?

Are they just arbitrary examples or do these 3 names have particular significance?
2005-03-08 @ 11:10
Comment from: Edward Thompson
Steve, I would agree with you on every point you wrote. Was watching a program on (Thai) TV last night featuring an interesting interview (done in silhouette) with a woman that may reflect some of the misogynistic aspects of this society. The woman's husband was the manager (though not overall boss) of this office and his friends were supervisors. Anyway, long story short the two supervising friends began sexually assaulting the woman when her husband wasn't around - they raped her in the bathroom.

Rather than step forward and press charges she didn't say anything, at first not even to her husband, the shame she believed being more hers in Thai society than on the perpetrators. Eventually she told her husband, who was kind and understanding about it and did not think her unclean, who went on to tell his boss. The husband was then told that if he or his wife couldn't stand it then they should leave, not the rapist bastard friends of his. This is somewhat in more of a serious vein then the list you wrote here but I think it reflects what can be at times (let's remember the woman's understanding husband) a barbaric patriarchal, 1870's america style attitude towards women.

The show certainly did incense viewers by the virtue of the SMS' people were sending in - "Are you (the rapists) even human?"

No wonder all the Thai women love us farang! (Kidding! No nasty emails on that one please!)

...ED
2005-03-09 @ 14:55
Comment from: duncan spunkin · http://n/a
Question for stevesuphan

I assume you're a guy talking about your experiences dating Thai girls, yeah? I'm a farang guy going out with a Thai guy and would love to read dos and don'ts for guys in a relationship with a Thai guy.

2005-03-23 @ 22:49
Comment from: honey
I appreciate the" Dos and Don's" above so much cause I have my personal experience of having a Thai boyfriend now.He is often unhappy about my answering him back on his words.Though I think something is reasonable,I am not the"boss"of him in his mind.Our relationship has already lasted for about 10 months.I sense that we are going to get over in the very near future.I am not optimistic about our future.Too manys gaps between culture and personality.I want to repair our relationship but I don't have any idea.Could anyone here give me some brainstorming please?I care about hime and I want to be with him...
2005-04-06 @ 12:33
Comment from: Sara
My question for Steve is this... I'm a Farang girl that has recently started dating a Thai guy. I'm a very outgoing person, who enjoys a good beer and a night on the town. My Thai guys seems to keep wanting to take me out with him and his friend... is he just trying to have sex with me, or could he possibly be interested in a Farang girl with a powerful personality?
2005-10-04 @ 15:09
Comment from: Stephen Cleary Email
Well, our friend Sara here has managed to 'date' a Thai guy of the 'rarer' nature. She seems to have a met a pretty 'soundo' match.

If he just wants to take her out with him and his mates, well... i see absolutely nothing wrong in that. Reads to me that 'yes' he enjoys the company of a farang girl with a powerful personality. Thai guys like that certainly exist but they are the minority.
2005-10-04 @ 20:11
Comment from: Sara
Alright Steve... we've got the "Dos and Don'ts"... what about simply the "rules of engagement"? For someone who has lived an entire life in the U.S, I'm feeling pretty confused as to what to expect in terms of what "dating" in Thailand even means... can you fill me in on this?
2005-10-16 @ 19:10
Comment from: Annie
I am a farang woman interested in a Thai guy. Thanks for this blog. First question: How do I know if a Thai guy likes me? The Thai guy I like doesn't like the idea of me giving him a hug in public. He also has never phoned me, unless I phone him first. I had asked him to lunch and he made excuse to not come. It seems like he doesn't like me, but when another guy shows interest in me he stares. I really like this guy, but I don't like making first moves.

Second question: Do Thai guys court women and give flowers, call you a lot and so on?

Third question: I asked him if he had girlfriend and he pointed to Thai woman whom I knew was married to someone else saying she was his girlfriend. I did not know what to think. I later talked to his mom once and she said he had girlfriend for 8 years and wonders why he is not asking her hand in marriage yet. I talked to him about this confessing I liked him and I asked him if he was in love with this girlfriend, because if yes I don't call again. He said relationship between us would not be possible and he did not want to get into explaining the reasons.

Which leads to fourth question: Are there still arranged marriages? I really care for him despite how unromantic he has been. Maybe he doesn't like me, but I thought he did since he would stare at me when he thought I wasn't looking or when other man shows interest in me. Sounds stupid I know. Anyway, I never met anyone like him and am afraid of his mom having him marry this other girl because I will never be in his life then. He still lives at home and I know he values his mom's opinion. I don't think his mom approves of farangs, even though she has been in western countries before. Any suggestions?
2005-11-29 @ 15:35
Comment from: Stephanie
I am dating a thai guy, here in America, and I love your description, of what a thai guy wants. We have been together for over a year, but he is still a lot like your list. Even though he doesn't realize it. I would appreciate more advice on thai men, the one I am dating is very confusing to me. Thanks for the laughs.
2006-01-19 @ 10:19
Comment from: Line
Oh *lol* That is SO funny. And I probably wouldn't date a thai guy, simply because I'm not at all obedient, quiet or house-wify enough.

However, at friend of mine started dating a thai girl, and after having her getting up early to cook him breakfast, cleaning his appartement and doing his laundry, he one day commented, that he could definately tell where the Thai in me stops and the Dane begins.

No hard feelings, I love Thailand! :D

And btw., thnx for this blog, it's really awesome and enlightening.

For Annie... well, sry, he's just not that in to you. So what is the question again?

Cheers,
Line
2006-03-29 @ 05:46
Comment from: nutshell
I live in Thailand and have had an ongoing VERY confusing thing going on with a Thai guy for months now. I have no idea if he wants an intimate relationship with me or not, it does my head in and would love to hear others' opinions. In a nutshell; He is my boss, we are alwys xtra nice to each other at work. One night back in Jan we were both really drunk and ended up having sex. He really regretted it after and apologized saying that Thai people take sex very seriously and it isnt just something they do for one night only and that he made a mistake. He said that he doesnt have time for a girlfriend and that it isnt right for us to get involved because he is my boss. I listened to what he said but didnt tell him what I thought and that bothered me. So a month later (with him having been on my mind non stop) I tell him that I understand what he said but that I think him and I have the ability to be intimate AND still professional at work together. He didnt respond to that conversation with any words at the time. He is always VERY nice to me at work, and lately he is buying me meals ALL the time. last weekend he took me bowling and to a movie and he talks about making me dinner and about taking me away on a road trip for a few days. BUT he makes no intimate moves towards me at all. Is this typical behaviour in Thai dating culture??? Do Thai men take things this slowly?? Forgetting the one drunk sex night we had months ago - which he regrets and, I think, would like to forget happened, he hasnt made any indication at all towards us moving in an intimate direction. I dont mind moving slowly as long as I know that we are moving towards having a relationship. If he just wants to be platonic friends I need to know that. I dont know what to think.
2006-05-18 @ 18:29
Comment from: Clara
I'm a white English girl and have recently met a lovely Thai guy who is in his late 20s. I learned that he has lived in England most his life, so I was not worried about going out on a few dates with him when he asked me, even though I knew I certainly do not fit the criteria for the usual girl they prefer to date, but he seemed alot more 'modernised'. We seem to get along so well and he really cares about me. So naturally, I just found out that he is married. Having kissed him, I obviously feel quite guilty, but he seems completely open with the fact that he has a wife who he loves, but still wants to see me and take me nice places. Although he said he shouldn't have kissed me, he also said "but we haven't really done anything wrong". I find all this very confusing as being still quite young, the biggest problem I've ever had to contend with is a girlfriend in the way of a guy I fancy. How bizarre! After reading this however, I can see what a scum bag he is...he always says how innocent and sweet I am...and yet when he kisses me its a dirty rushed frenzy like he's mouth raping me. Jeez. Anyway, thanks for the list...but I don't think I'd make a good wife for a Thai man, what a shame eh.
2006-07-23 @ 00:01
Comment from: Mark
Hi, I'm new to the international dating scene. I searched the internet for 2 years to meet an asian woman. I'm not exactly sure I chose an Asian woman I guess I just can't stand pushy, arrogant American woman. Wellafter going through a long list of inapropriate choices I stumbled upon a honest 35 year old woman living in Bangkok. She works at an hospital. I've been video chatting and calling her daily now for 5 months. I've seen her job, here employee friends, her home, Which is no bigger than my living room. She seems to be extreme,y honest. Shocking honest about her past life. No prostution but just a hard life living ing the country. Shes in college trying to get a business degree. Well I'm a 54 year old guy. I'm fairly good looking with a very nice athletic body. I'm financially secure. I'm planning on going there to visit with her for the month of March. Has anyone got some suggestions for me. I really love this woman and she consistantly says the same. We really get along talking 2-3 hours a day now every day for 5 months. She hasn't changed her story one time. She couldn't speak much english either. but now she can. She amazes me. I have no idea what's expected of me when i meet her parents and her friends. I talk with most of them but I'm concerned as to what to expect when I get there. I have a great hotel Chintre Pointe on the river. and she says she's going to stay there with me. I have every intention of bringing her back to the USA soon after this meeting. Am I CRAZY OR IS THIS LOOKING LIKE THE REAL THING FOR BOTH HER AND I. By the way, I'm a real nice guy with 4 kids who have seen her and talked with her 30-40 times. She says she's looking forward to being here with us and i believe her. Got any advice?
2007-01-02 @ 12:27
Comment from: Mike (mikenz66) Email
Mark, there are various forums about this sort of thing. The forum associated with this site is: http://thailandqa.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60

Best Wishes, Mike
2007-01-04 @ 02:44
Comment from: KhonThai Email
Farang Guy : Thai lady (Low-Middle) class need you to support money and family (Love me love my dog), kind to her, and care about her every things. But it depending on her back ground you get.

For High class lady, she no need your money, but more luxury gift / living style and love her , honest, takecare of her like a princess..you have to say yes sir what she want and you have to be a Leader in the same time.

By the way, Both of them you have to pay all expense coz they think your money is Big ($ / Euro)

2007-03-07 @ 02:39
Comment from: KhonThai Email
Farang Ladies : Mostly thai guys who have farang girlfriend, he have many sex experiences and honestly his ex is also Thai. Believe me you will not be the 1st one for him and he still bitchy around (Have many Gigs). If you can't accept this rule you should not take him. It hard for you yo change yourself to become Thai coz you born to be independence with Thai guy don't like. You have to feed him best sex and feed him food, cleaning, cooking, take your kids to school and back home)

this is just my opinion and some experience I got from my friends (sorry that my english is not strong coz I m Thai)
2007-03-07 @ 03:01
Comment from: KhonThai Email
Farang Gay Guy : you have to follow farang guy item :)
2007-03-07 @ 03:03
Comment from: annalise Email
I had a thai boyfriend for 3 years, I spent a lot of time in thailand with him. He came to the uk for a few months to be with me. He had lived in Australia and the UK before ,so I thought he was fairly westernised. I would advise any farang women to think twice before getting seriously involved with a thai man. my ex was so charming I never doubted him . But I have recently found out he was just a womaniser. My female thai friends warned me all along that thai men are no good. I wish that I had taken notice.Thai men are so charming at the beginning of a relationship, but they soon change! they are very jealous and controling.I'm sure there are some good thai men out there,but be very careful and go with your gut feeling. I bought a restaurant last year with my thai boyfriend, I returned to the uk for a while and when I got back I found out he was having a relationship with one of his thai staff. He thought that he was totally within his rights to do this. I am trying to get money back from the business, but will not get it all. I consider myself lucky to be out of this relationship, It would have been far worse if we had children. I would say be very careful to any women dating thai men. It is so easy to be conned by them. Thai men are very selfish!

2007-03-19 @ 04:53
Comment from: jules Email
funny,but not all thai guys are like that......for that matter, not all guys are are like that.
keep on looking, o k ?
2007-04-23 @ 20:12
Comment from: jessie@Nong Email
Sawad dee...i am a Malaysian chinese and is now having a few months relationship with a Thai guy...on the 1st glance and during the moments we met, he was very charming and so nice and agreed with me in everything.But, when time goes by, i'm headache with him!Maybe we started to soon and we do had an intimate relationship.I used to drinks beer and go to pubs b4, but i stop poppin to pubs after we met,bcoz he dun wanna get embarrased in front of his others Thai friends-guys.I wonder y girls cant be 'update' and why does Thai guy r so selfish & conservative?We quarrelled and i cant control my esteem anymore and i went on drinking eventhough his others friends are watching...i really dont care & so frustrated! And i'm not sure whether he loves me for real, bcoz he never takes the steps, never call,except the very 1st time he falls for me..any advices? i love him so much...i dun wanna lose him too...email me for ur kind advices, TQ! jesyeehan@yahoo.com
2007-04-27 @ 14:36
Comment from: Fayee Email
I sincerely hope that you'll add more advise for dating Thai guys.
Any inside tips beside this.
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2007-07-11 @ 16:29
Comment from: Rainer Hansen Email
FARANG GIRL/FARANG BOY RELATIONASHIP,

HOW A PAID THAI BOY PUSHED ME QUICKLY
OUT OF THE 'DRIVER SEAT' AND TOOK OVER MY FARANG GIRL FOR THE REMAINING TIME OF OUR THAILAND HOLIDAY:

From my point of view and bitter
experience, I can only stress, that thai
boys/men are --very-- controlling and
demanding, once they have their chance
to have a farang girl.

I only recently read about farang girls
who pay thai boys for sex and after an emotional struggle I decided to comment
recently on this taboo subject in a blog

My girlfriend wanted to have an
'adventure' with a thai boy, and I, being
a 'tolerant' westener, who is
not to restrict the freedom of his girl,
let her slowly slip away into the hands of a
paid lover, with not putting up the
agressive resistance thai guys would
put up, if they feel their girls start
to go astray.

They win...you loose, tolerance will
not pay but on the other hand some
western girl even seem to be attracted by the 'though guy' actor!
2007-08-10 @ 09:08
Comment from: Rainier On My Parade
Rainer, why did you stop there? What else happened. Details man! We all love a good saucy tale, specially where the tables are turned.

2007-08-11 @ 01:00
Comment from: Rainer Hansen Email
Paid thai boy takes away my farang girlfriend

Indeed in the end the tables were turned.

For you it might be a good saucy tale for me it was a bitter experience. I admit it was all triggered by my girlfriends strong desire to date a thai boy and my typical western tolerance, which is especially cultivated, if you have been brought up and sozialized in Germany.

You can read for more details on a site called personalthailand.
I had not intended to write the second report, but was asked to do so, to explain more why it has happened.

I you have read my two reports you propably can imagine what happened in the aftermath after they had their first sex and that thai guy gave Claudia that perfect night:

For the remaining two days of our holidays a paid macho thai boy was parading my farang girlfriend in Bangkok streets. We did the usual things ranging from sight seeing to shopping, etc walking behind the couple let me feel like a useless spare wheel.

Once this guy felt that he had his grip on her and I was not able to put up resistance , he enjoyed bedding her at night and sharing our holiday budget at daytime. He even asked Claudia to by him a new mobile. He give not whatsoever respect to the fact that I was Claudias boyfriend for already three years. He was not opposing that we went out together, but then only to openly touch her intimately in front of me, deliberately?

Of course there was a point, where I had stupied and helpless fantasies to lock her up or to beat him up. But to see her enjoy his extreme attentiveness and to see how she WAS NOT rejecting his obviously controlling and demanding nature, (why do farang girls let sometimes do this with them from foreigners?) shattered the remaining rest of my self-confindence.

Like I said before: No tolerance, they win, you loose your farang girl!
2007-08-11 @ 14:03
Comment from: Thai Guy Email
Wow, I feel like such a minority here. I'm a Thai guy grew up in California. I find that list of Do's and Don't a bit absurd. I couldn't have any relationship with any women who would conform to those rules. May be that's why I have a problem dating Thai girls. I actually prefer someone to be of my equal. My last girlfriend was a caucasian from Canada. The realtionship lasted three years but the seperation had nothing to do with the cultural differences at all. Our work sort of put an end to that.

Here's an advice, find a Thai guy who has been westernized and have lived overseas. Beach boys, waiter etc. will rarely work out. The gap between classes here is still pretty wide. Once the novelty wears out that when your problems start.

One thing I know that there are not many like me. Even some of my friends who grew up overseas still have alot of Thai traits in them, so look hard and good luck.
2008-01-15 @ 00:13
Comment from: Need to correct Email
I have to disagree on the "Do's" and "Don'ts". Sorry. Those lists DO NOT apply to all "Thai" guys, it depends on mostly where he's from and of course, his other life qualities. You really need to take it into consideration that there are Lao or "Issarn" (Essarn) people that encompass most of Thailand's land. And then there's the Bangkok people, the Thais, the what modern history would call like it, formerly "Siamese" from "Siam".

Both are different!

2008-01-22 @ 23:29
Comment from: Olivia Email
Based on my personal experience, I would
encourage that the foreign girls to stay
away from Thai guys. Don't waste the
time, energy and love on Thai guys.
2008-02-08 @ 14:55

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